Transfer Tittle-Tattle

[Robspur12]

Well they could start by making all the lazy bastards on the dole take those jobs, and if they refuse stop their money.

There are plenty of lazy bastards in work. Literally stealing a living. While there are also plenty of decent people claiming income support benefit. Someone I know, "on the dole," suffers from epilepsy and cannot hold down a job because of it. It really gets him down. He's not a sponger.

 

[Bullet]

the U.K. at the Olympics....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37058920

Some Unionist politicians in Northern Ireland have complained about this. In 2009, Stormont's sport minister Gregory Campbell said the name "excludes, and indeed alienates, the people of Northern Ireland". His successor also called for a change in branding to "Team UK".

 

[parklane1]

There are plenty of lazy bastards in work. Literally stealing a living. While there are also plenty of decent people claiming income support benefit. Someone I know, "on the dole," suffers from epilepsy and cannot hold down a job because of it. It really gets him down. He's not a sponger.

Of that i have no doubt, but that was not the point being made was it.

 

[Robspur12]

Of that i have no doubt, but that was not the point being made was it.

Not sure what point was being made but you suggested everyone on the dole is a lazy bastard.

 

[parklane1]

Not sure what point was being made but you suggested everyone on the dole is a lazy bastard.

Well you got that wrong, read it again.

 

[Robspur12]

Well you got that wrong, read it again.

I did thanks, you said:-

Well they could start by making all the lazy bastards on the dole take those jobs, and if they refuse stop their money.

Perhaps you should just be clear that you don't mean everyone on the dole is lazy. If you know people who are taking the tinkle then maybe you should report them.

 

[parklane1]

I did thanks, you said:-


Perhaps you should just be clear that you don't mean everyone on the dole is lazy. If you know people who are taking the tinkle then maybe you should report them.

As i said you read it wrong, i thought it was pretty clear but for some folks obviously not.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

As i said you read it wrong, i thought it was pretty clear but for some folks obviously not.

'Some' of the lazy bastards may have been more apt.

 

[RunTMC]

'Some' of the lazy bastards may have been more apt.

Interesting how the same statement can be read so differently. I thought he was talking about just the lazy people that were on the dole. He can’t say ‘some’ of the lazy people because that wouldn’t make sense. He’s talking about all the lazy people.

Anyway I think we’re digressing

 

[JerusalemMan]

Interesting how the same statement can be read so differently. I thought he was talking about just the lazy people that were on the dole. He can’t say ‘some’ of the lazy people because that wouldn’t make sense. He’s talking about all the lazy people.

Anyway I think we’re digressing

It so often depends on how you want to read a statement, what your own prejudices are or what you already think or the speaker/writer.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Of that i have no doubt, but that was not the point being made was it.

I've been a socialist since my teenage years (varying shades of red) and have always believe we have a moral responsibility to help those who through no fault of their own need help, but the changes in society and technology have changed the workplace, whole generations have grown up with higher expectations than my parents and do not want to do the "menial jobs" that vast numbers of people were happy to do and the wealthfare system is supporting many who chose not to work. The system has created it's own problem and no government seem to have the will or the know how to resolve it. It's a big problem for most of the "first world" nations and it's easy to blame immigrants for the problem and we are seeing in many nations the growth of ring wing parties. There will never be enough jobs for everyone and there needs to be some system evolved to help those without jobs become and feel some use to our society rather than hangers on , I don't have the answer but I know it will never be resolved unless we pull together.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Of that i have no doubt, but that was not the point being made was it.

I *think* the point that was being made was that we do not need to bring in people from overseas to perform those jobs that others don't tend to want to do because we can just get people on the dole here to do them instead.

Of course the reality of the situation is far more difficult. Firstly many of the available jobs are centred around specific places in the country and the unemployment blackspots tend to be in very different parts of the country. Try uprooting somebody from (say) Middlesborough and forcing them to perform work in e.g. Nottingham. Where do they live? What happens to their family? etc.

Generally young people coming from other parts of the World will not have locational ties and will locate where the work is, they will also live in the same accommodation with multiple other young people to make it affordable to live. That is before you even consider the relative qualities of the individuals filling the jobs now compared to the potential workforce of the "lazy bastards on the dole". Why would any company want to employ a "lazy bastard"?

I am genuinely puzzled at how some industries will survive as we go forward without freedom of movement from the EU. The catering and hospitality industry, construction industry and the care industry especially. I can only foresee a big influx of non EU nationals to fill these jobs. Of course unlike EU nationals who tend to return back to their country of origin when they retire, the new influx of workers will not do so due to the far better life and conditions in the UK compared to their developing/third world countries. Like I say a delicious irony for those who voted Brexit on the "there are too many immigrants innit" rhetoric. Alas I know a fair few people who I would've (previously) considered to be of reasonable intelligence who voted for Brexit due to this very reason.

 

[Lost Mango]

Can't all this be moved back to "politics, politics, politics" in Random and this go back to meaningless transfer tattle?

 

[SpurMeUp]

Can't all this be moved back to "politics, politics, politics" in Random and this go back to meaningless transfer tattle?

Can we 'transfer' all the lazy bastards to France? And get our Spurs back? How has brexit taken over everything in the UK, even our transfer nonsense?

 

[parklane1]

'Some' of the lazy bastards may have been more apt.

No all the lazy bastards on the dole i meant, nowhere did i say all those on the dole were lazy bastards.

 

[parklane1]

Interesting how the same statement can be read so differently. I thought he was talking about just the lazy people that were on the dole. He can’t say ‘some’ of the lazy people because that wouldn’t make sense. He’s talking about all the lazy people.

Anyway I think we’re digressing

Thank you.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

We should really look at Rico Henry.

 

[parklane1]

We should really look at Rico Henry.

Here you go

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Here you go

Kid will be in the England squad in a few years. bricks all over Chillwell.

 

[glasgowspur]

I *think* the point that was being made was that we do not need to bring in people from overseas to perform those jobs that others don't tend to want to do because we can just get people on the dole here to do them instead.

Of course the reality of the situation is far more difficult. Firstly many of the available jobs are centred around specific places in the country and the unemployment blackspots tend to be in very different parts of the country. Try uprooting somebody from (say) Middlesborough and forcing them to perform work in e.g. Nottingham. Where do they live? What happens to their family? etc.

Generally young people coming from other parts of the World will not have locational ties and will locate where the work is, they will also live in the same accommodation with multiple other young people to make it affordable to live. That is before you even consider the relative qualities of the individuals filling the jobs now compared to the potential workforce of the "lazy bastards on the dole". Why would any company want to employ a "lazy bastard"?

I am genuinely puzzled at how some industries will survive as we go forward without freedom of movement from the EU. The catering and hospitality industry, construction industry and the care industry especially. I can only foresee a big influx of non EU nationals to fill these jobs. Of course unlike EU nationals who tend to return back to their country of origin when they retire, the new influx of workers will not do so due to the far better life and conditions in the UK compared to their developing/third world countries. Like I say a delicious irony for those who voted Brexit on the "there are too many immigrants innit" rhetoric. Alas I know a fair few people who I would've (previously) considered to be of reasonable intelligence who voted for Brexit due to this very reason.

You do realise that foreign workers are also uprooting their lives to move in and do the work many of us don't want to do.
And indeed a lot of the steel and coal workers who have lost their jobs are where they geographically because that what's their grandparents or great grandparents did.
The problem is first world countries now think this work is beneath them.