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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 12 Feb 2013.

  1. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    A new one too. This bullet points so better break down.
     
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  2. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    11 years after the riots and promises of regenerating the area. It's a joke.
     
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  3. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    Bloody hell good on him.

    Shocking and without wanting to bring politics into this thread shows what is wrong with society today where greed and profit are wrongly above all else.

    Has David Lammy commented on it ?
     
  4. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    Levy has, rightly, slaughtered them there.

    You can't talk about (for ten years) regeneration, what the community needs and devise a masterplan that all stakeholders have had a considered and worthwhile input into, and then consider a scheme/planning application that fly's in the face of all that.

    The locals are lucky to have someone with clout in their corner on this, and with the finances to pay planning consultants to rip it apart. Haringey have always been a (tinkle) poor council authority BUT this is a chance for real change, and you only usually get one chance. The developers are in it for their own maximum benefit (obviously), but planning is in control here and Levy, has kindly, given them a working list to get what's best for N17.
     
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    JerusalemMan Nick Barmby

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    inkpenspur Goran Bunjevcevic

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    'The proposals before you this evening do little to uplift the lives of people living in the area and fails those that it should be helping'

    I am glad that my club is a caring part of the community, shows empathy towards a pretty deprived part of London and is trying to do something positive about it.
     
  7. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    Lets not pretend it's all altruistic on the clubs part. It's in levy and the clubs best interest for the area to prosper. Land values go up. People have more disposable income in their pocket. It's a win win for everyone. Especially the council, less people on benefits more people paying council tax. Which is why it's so unbelievable they looked like accepting it.
     
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  8. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    Well apart from land values and those are only important while they own a property company in the area, the rest I doubt they care about.
     
  9. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    More people with money in their pockets mean they can go to games or events at the stadium.
     
  10. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    The events are not really aimed at locals. All clubs do job fairs at their stadiums. Brighton actually do a men's health clinic at theirs on non match days. I went to a tools fair at the Amex a few years ago and that was while living in Chichester 50 miles away.
     
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  11. mephitis

    mephitis Steed Malbranque

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    To meet like minded Tools presumably?
     
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    Daisuk Jack Jull

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    Is anything ever truly altruistic? I work with disabled kids, the wages suck, but at least I can go to bed every day feeling like I've done something worthwhile. So, I do something good, and feel good in return. Don't think I'd do it if I didn't feel like it gave me anything.

    So yeah, win win, innit. :)
     
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  13. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    Be honest, it's for the sex, that's the reason you do it.
     
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    mephitis Steed Malbranque

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  15. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    Why are councils so badly run? Seems ubiquitous. Whether Tottenham, Hackney they seem to have structures and people who are incapable of doing anything proactive with their responsibility and resources. The number of awful ugly developments that are approved making developers insane profits, its almost like the developers are bribing officials. I don't think they are, just that local government is bereft of talent, motivation and vision. Modern quickly built developments are a license to print money. Little half-million pound + boxes, multiplied by X units.
     
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    superspurs Gerry Armstrong

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    Resources are a big factor, do they get really get enough to do anything truly proactive? These big developers come along, stick a few quid in the coffers by buying the land etc and say "oh yeh we'll build some "affordable rent" units" so the council and developer can play off the social element whilst raking in the dough on the market rent, shared ownership and outright sales.

    They're quickly built because they're made out of fudging paper and cobwebs these days.
     
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    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    I think its too easy to blame a lack of funding. Of course that is an issue. But so are structural issues. They are organisations that need a massive shake up. With people in jobs who are too comfortable, and achieving too little. That is not a money thing that is a motivation and management thing. In reality councils get huge sums of money (£50b a year appx). Yes they have to do a huge amount with it. But we excuse poor performance far too easily imo.
     
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    superspurs Gerry Armstrong

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    Yes that's a good point, I've worked for orgs that are quite similar to councils in structure, motivation and management can be shocking.
     
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    DubSpur Sergei Rebrov

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    The issue is it's a permission system not a planning system. Developers ask for permission to build what they want instead of the council saying in our plan we want a development that includes x y and z and then developers submit their application to build that plan.
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    The council can counter that with conditions, and if necessary, legal obligations (S106s) ....of course if they're on the ball and can be bothered.

    What can be a problem is an overall vision that eventually ties an area (or areas) together. This needs resources that cost, and largely fall on the council, plus by definition will probably span quite a time frame, people come and go and momentum and vision is lost.

    N17 is lucky that Levy is a long term resident/tenant who wants the best for the area (and of course, by continuation, himself), he's genuine and I'd lean on him in a guidance/consultancy way (even if it's indirectly/unofficial). The evidence of him having the energy and stamina to stick with a long term vision/project and delivering in the face of numerous headwinds/bellends is compelling. Of course he wants N17 to become what he wants it to become, but I trust that would also be closely aligned to what the majority of locals would consider acceptable as well.
     

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