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*** Tottenham Hotspur - Arsenal OMT ***

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 30 Aug 2013.

  1. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Michael Carrick

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    Also Dubai, I don't know what your problem is with Rose in this game. I thought he did ok. Dawson was shaky and Dembele wasn't his usual self. But Rose largely did his job.
     
  2. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    I will say that IMO, it's about details and for the second week in a row he got caught. Yes, the CBs didn't look across the line, but what on earth was Rose doing so far inside? He needs to not ball-watch like that. If he's more aware/positionally correct, that chance doesn't happen. AVB is a details man, and I suspect he will be close to a new left-back in the next 12 hours...of course I wish he'd just give BAE another chance, but there we go...

    Other than that, as I said in another thread, I think personally the knee-jerking is OTT, that with those few adjustments/some time together, this team will be excellent...Goons played like an away side today, especially second-half...
     
  3. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Paul Walsh

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    There is a considerable difference between passing with purpose and passing to avoid being dispossessed. If you subscribe to that 'control' philosophy, then our game plan would have been to get the defensive line all the way to the half-way line, and then slowly advance towards the goal while playing passing triangles and making off-the-ball runs to provide the man in possession with at least two forward passing options. It's the way that strategy is supposed to work, as evidenced by Rodgers detailing it last year in one of his earliest interviews. Today, our players had no forward options beyond the two wingers, and the wingers themselves were isolated. No one was able to string more than two passes together in the offensive third, we only got shots from Townsend's direct runs and any control we hoped to display was shattered by Arsenal's repeated counter-attacks, all of which were executed with pace, purpose and technique that was absent from our play today.

    Hanging back trying to avoid being closed down is not controlling the game. Very few players took responsibility, and overall, our ultimate goal of winning the goddamn game was compromised by our inability to get beyond even the first line of Arsenal's defence.

    I appreciate your positivity, I really do. And I believe AVB has a plan to mould this side into one where the sort of play you describe can be confidently executed. But it isn't now, and there was no evidence of it against Arsenal, merely individual mistakes, a lack of cohesiveness and no creative threat whatsoever. And, as a final statement on the matter, if controlling possession was our aim, perhaps aimlessly lifting the ball forward a la Capoue or putting in several utterly useless crosses a la Rose and Walker isn't the best way to achieve that. AVB's always stated his preference for direct play, 'vertical penetration' as he stated when being interviewed by Daniel Sousa. Quick, effective transitions from defense to attack. That's what I believe he went for. And that's what we failed to do. Ergo, it was a bad performance either way: we failed to control the flow of play and we failed to penetrate.

    It was a bad performance, and we'll learn from this and improve. I believe both those things. Move on.

    Oh, and as for Rose, he was caught out too often in defense (Giroud went past him like he wasn't there for one of the shots that Lloris saved, for example) and he put in terrible crosses. That's why I think he had a bad game. He needs to improve, but again, I believe if he's given game time he will. Will he get it, though? I have a feeling that we'll get a full-back in before the deadline, so I fear he won't.
     
  4. Richie

    Richie Naybet

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    Our CMs looked like didn't know how to play with each other. We looked poor but I thought it was a chemistry issue. Let's see how we improve over the next few weeks
     
  5. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Why can't we ever play well at that ****hole? Lets face it, even the 3-2 win was a bit smash and grab wasn't it? A one off.
     
  6. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    There was clearly a similar issue to that we would encounter when Parker and Sandro played together i.e. Paulinho needed to push further forwards and Moussa looked a bit lost. But the main thing missing today (other than a Lamela or Ericsson!) was cohesiveness. That needs time but you can see it clicking. As for the 'inability to get beyond the first line of Arsenal's defence' well, we suffered the same against lower league sides last season when they put 10 men behind the ball!!!! Sorry mate, I think you're waaaaaay too down given the context...
     
  7. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Paul Walsh

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    We lacked cohesiveness, made errors, had no options, couldn't get past their defense. You acknowledge most of these things.

    All those things together suggest we had a bad game, especially when factored into the fact that we bloody lost against Arsenal....:D

    And sure, you put it into context and say I'm waayy too down. But that's exactly what I keep saying, goddamnit! 'We'll learn and move on', 'to be expected'.....come on!:D

    I'm not holding anyone at fault for this long-term. Today we had a bad game. It is an individual instance we will learn from. Move on.
     
  8. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    As is mate...you're still fired up, I never was, I hate those ****s but things are shifting fast...I don't think we had a particularly bad game today at all, I think we still need to cross our 'i's and dot our 't's...simple really...we need a left-back if BAE isn't his man, Daws will eventually give way to Kaboul or Chichres and Lamela will be great. We missed Lennon a lot today...we agree to disagree IMO.
     
  9. Luda2013

    Luda2013 Jamie Redknapp

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    We lacked ideas going forward. Launch it into the box and see what happens
     
  10. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Paul Walsh

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    Agree completely with that bit, so maybe we aren't that far apart after all. :)
     
  11. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    Indeed Sir!

    I suppose I wasn't particularly shocked by Rose today as I expected it.
     
  12. IbroxSpurs

    IbroxSpurs Kevin Watson

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    Let them have there day we'll have ours come may
     
  13. Naughton16

    Naughton16 Clive Wilson

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    I felt before the match that it may be a season where we lost the battle but won the war
     
  14. Mumorn

    Mumorn Vic Buckingham

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    I said the exact same thing earlier in the thread. We'll lose the battle today but we'll win the war.
     
  15. diego_maradona

    diego_maradona Steffen Iversen Staff Member

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    We win at WHL it cancels this **** out. So no harm done
     
  16. Ginola99

    Ginola99 Steven Caulker

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    Anyone know a site where I can find out our most used setup of players and positions from last season.. Something is missing (not just Bale) and I cant put my finger on it at the minute and want to go over last season..
     
  17. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Our fans sounded in fine voice today, not.

    Our away support is becoming as bad as our home support.
     
  18. chancer

    chancer Gudni Bergsson

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    Few things maybe:

    - Tempo of passing? We seem more sluggish this season, and that silly thing I used to hate of passing the ball back and fourth 3 times in 5 yards in midfield suddenly seems appealing just to sustain tempo. Don't think there's as much of that this season.

    - Balls/runs through the channels? I thought this season we'd be slipping balls through to Soldado or advancing midfielders through the channels. Or that we'd be playing through there somehow. Not sure we are.

    - Getting behind their line? Are we doing this? Doesn't really feel like it. Did we last season?

    - Long range shooting? Seems to be quite a lot of it at the moment.


    Just off the top of my head - I could be mistaken on any of them.
     
  19. Mumorn

    Mumorn Vic Buckingham

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    Dembele/Sandro partnership is missing. Dembele has come under scrutiny from a few of us, including a big fan like myself. I personally think it's because he's missed Sandro beside him, they both worked really well, knew of eachothers positions well. Dembele shouldnt be playing advanced as he likes to come back and retain possession, him and Sandro in the middle is a SOLID partnership to have to retain the ball and feed it to the more creative ones upfield.
     
  20. diego_maradona

    diego_maradona Steffen Iversen Staff Member

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    I think AVB was doing this:

    ------------Capoue-------------
    ------Paulinho----Dembele----
    LF-----------------------------RF

    I think in the next few games he should go with

    ------Sandro------Dembele-----
    -----------Paulinho--------------
    LF-----------------------------RF

    Personnel wise that could be even 2 of Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho and possibly Eriksen, Holtby or even Lamela in the AM position
     

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