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*** Tottenham Hotspur - Arsenal OMT ***
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awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
That is likely to be the team.
2-1 to Spurs
2-1 to Spurs
ricky2tricky4city
Jack Jull
I feel Younes needs to start this one
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Arsenal host Tottenham Hotspur at the Emirates Stadium in the 3rd round of 2013-14 Premier League matches on Sunday 1st September 2013 (KO 16:00).
Arsenal come into the North London Derby in 8th place on 3 points, while Spurs are in 3rd place on 6 points.
This will be the 252nd time the two teams have met.
Spurs v Arsenal is now one of the great rivalries in World Football but the fixture had very different beginnings back in November 1887 when the clubs first met in a friendly played on Tottenham Marshes. Arsenal, then called Royal Arsenal, had been formed just a year earlier as Dial Square and were essentially the works team for the munitions factory situated in Woolwich, Kent, while Spurs who had been formed some five years earlier in 1882 still had many of the youngsters who founded the club playing for them. Spurs won that first encounter 2-1, although the game was cut short by 15 minutes, due to poor light conditions because of the Arsenal team getting lost and turning-up late for the start.
Seven more friendlies were played between the two clubs from 1888 to 1896 with Spurs winning four and Arsenal winning three before their first competitive match in March 1899. By this time, Arsenal were re-named Woolwich Arsenal and the clubs met in the United League with the Gunners winning 2-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead while Spurs won the return match 3-2 at Northumberland Park.
Two matches were played within the same week in April 1900 in the Southern District Combination League with Spurs winning 4-2 at White Hart Lane which was followed by a 2-1 win to Arsenal at Plumstead in a game abandoned after 75 minutes due to "bad language". History doesn't provide the answer as to who was the guilty party! From 1901 to 1920, the clubs met in various minor competitions, friendlies and matches played during the First World War.
Tottenham Hotspur joined the Football League in season 1908-09 and won promotion to the First Division on their first attempt. The following season they played Arsenal in December 1909 and lost 0-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead, while the reverse fixture at White Hart Lane ended in a 1-1 draw with John Curtis scoring Spurs' first League goal against the Gunners.
The teams met for three more seasons before Arsenal's relegation at the end of the 1912-13 season with Spurs winning three matches, Arsenal winning two and one game drawn.
September 1913 proved to be a hugely important date in the history of both clubs as Arsenal controversially moved from south of the River Thames into the territory reserved for Tottenham Hotspur and Clapton (later Leyton) Orient, in clear violation of the rules and regulations governing such relocations as stipulated by the Football League. Despite bitter protests, Arsenal's move to Highbury (more correctly called Arsenal Stadium) was allowed.
White Hart Lane was requisitioned by the Army during WWI, so Spurs played many of their wartime matches at Highbury.
When League football resumed after the war in 1919, it was decided to once again expand the First Division from 20 teams to 22. The normal way of doing this had always been to add the top two clubs from the Second Division to those who were already in the First Division. However, there were complications arising from allegations of match-fixing from Liverpool and Manchester United during the final matches of the last season played before the League was suspended and it was felt that they would forfit their Top Flight status as a result.
From nowhere, Arsenal, who had finished sixth (later corrected to fifth) in the Second Division before the war were 'elected' to take Tottenham Hotspur's place in the First Division. Allegations of bribery persist to this day and Henry Norris (Arsenal's Chairman) was later given a lifetime ban from football from the Football League for underhand financial activities.
Spurs and Arsenal played their first Football League match after World War One in the First Division in January 1921 with Spurs winning 2-1 at White Hart Lane while Arsenal won the return match at Highbury 3-2. All 150 League games played to date have taken place in the Top Flight of English football.
Highbury was taken over by the Army during the Second World War and Spurs returned the favour by allowing Arsenal to play their wartime matches at White Hart Lane. Arsenal won the first FA Cup meeting between the two teams 3-0 in the 3rd Round in January 1949. The clubs have played five FA Cup matches to date with Spurs winning two and Arsenal winning three.
The first Football League Cup match took place in November 1968 with Arsenal winning the first leg of the Semi-Final 1-0 at Highbury and Spurs drawing 1-1 at White Hart Lane the following month. Of the 12 League Cup matches played so far, Spurs have won 3, Arsenal have won 6 and three games have been drawn.
Both Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur were founder members of the Premier League in season 1992-93 and both clubs are among the seven (Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea, Manchester United and Aston Villa are the other five) who have been ever-present during the 21 seasons of the competition.
Arsenal went two goals ahead by halftime in the 2010-11 fixture at the Emirates in November through Samir Nasri and Marouane Chamakh but Spurs came back strongly with goals from Gareth Bale, Rafael van der Vaart (penalty) and Younes Kaboul to secure a 3-2 win.
The match at White Hart Lane in April 2011 was a six goal thriller with honours even. Theo Walcott and Rafael van der Vaart scored goals within the first 10 minutes before Samir Nasri put the Gunners 2-1 up after 12 minutes. Arsenal went further ahead with a Robin van Persie goal on 40 minutes but Tom Huddlestone made it 2-3 by halftime. Van der Vaart scored the only goal in the second half from the penalty spot.
The fixture at White Hart Lane in October 2011 was won by Spurs 2-1 with goals from Rafael van der Vaart and Kyle Walker with Aaron Ramsey scoring for Arsenal. The Gunners won their home match in February 2012 5-2. Louis Saha had put Spurs ahead after 4 minutes and an Emmanuel Adebayor penalty put Tottenham further ahead after 34 minutes. But Arsenal pulled two goals back before half-time through Bacary Sagna and Robin van Persie. Tomas Rosicky put Arsenal in front just after the break and the rout was completed with a brace from Theo Walcott.
During the 2012 summer transfer window, Spurs signed former Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor from Emirates Marketing Project after having spent a season on loan.
The match on 17th November at the Emirates resulted in a 5-2 win for Arsenal. Emmanuel Adebayor put Spurs ahead after 10 minutes but was sent-off eight minutes later for a rash tackle on Santi Cazorla. Arsenal then scored three times to make it 3-1 at halftime - Per Mertesacker, Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud grabbing the goals. Santi Cazorla put Arsenal further ahead on the hour mark but Gareth Bale pulled one back for Spurs before Theo Walcott scored the fifth for Arsenal just before the final whistle.
Spurs won the match at the Lane in March 2013 2-1 with Gareth Bale scoring after 37 minutes and Aaron Lennon adding a second two minutes later. Per Mertesacker pulled a goal back for Arsenal six minutes into the second half.
As far as Football League / Premier League matches go, three player have both scored nine goals for Spurs against Arsenal - Billy Minter and Bobby Smith.
Three Arsenal players have each scored eight goals against Spurs - Robert Pires, Emmanuel Adebayor and Alan Smith.
There have been three hat-tricks scored during North London Derbies - Terry Dyson for Spurs and Ted Drake & Alan Sunderland for Arsenal.
Jimmy Robertson & Emmanuel Adebayor are the only two players to score for both Spurs & Arsenal in a North London Derby.
Arsenal's David O'Leary has played in the most North London Derbies (35) while both Gary Mabbutt & Steve Perryman played 31 games with Spurs.
Overall, Spurs have won 91 of the 251 matches played against Arsenal with the Gunners winning 101 and 59 matches drawn.
Emmanuel Adebayor
Clive Allen
Charlie Ambler
Bob Arber (Arsenal player, Spurs reserves manager)
David Bentley
David Black
Anton Blackwood
Jimmy Brain
Laurie Brown
Walter Bugg
Lycurgus Burrows
Sol Campbell
Herbert Chapman (Spurs player, Arsenal manager)
Damien Comolli (Director of Football at both clubs)
Freddie Cox
James Delvin
Wilf Dixon (Spurs assistant manager, Arsenal trainer)
Jack Eggett
Tom Fitchie
Theo Foley (Arsenal assistant manager, Spurs reserves manager)
William Gallas
George Graham (Arsenal player, manager of both clubs)
Vic Groves
Tom Hatfield
Stewart Houston (Assistant manager at both clubs)
Joe Hulme (Arsenal player, Spurs manager)
George Hunt
David Jenkins
Pat Jennings
Bill Julian
Peter Kyle
Neil Lacy
Bill Lane (Spurs player, Arsenal scout)
Peter McWilliam (Spurs manager, Arsenal scout)
Tom Meade
Billy Minter
Terry Naylor
Terry Neill (Arsenal player, manager of both clubs)
Jamie O'Hara
Tom O'Shea
George Payne
Ron Piper
Tom Pratt
Rohan Ricketts
Jimmy Robertson
Andrew Swan
Walter Thomas
Erik Thorstvedt
Steve Walford
Ernie Walley (Spurs player, Arsenal coach)
Charlie Williams
Willie Young
The FourFourTwo Preview: Arsenal vs Tottenham
Billed as...
A cracking North London derby, with free-spending (albeit Bale-less) Spurs visiting miserly old Wengerville as the pair go head-to-head for fourth place. Again.
The lowdown
Arsenal silenced their critics yet again, rolling to comfortable victories over Fulham and Fenerbahce. There’s no doubt that reports of their demise were always greatly exaggerated, but there’s nothing like two wins in four days – sparked by an improving Aaron Ramsey – to stop the mutterings, even if their squad does look rather familiar.
Tottenham are much changed from last year. However, they're still more chrysalis than butterfly at the moment. The arrivals of Paulinho and Etienne Capoue have yielded enviable solidity in midfield, but at the expense of threats going forward. Paulinho showed a willingness to get forward against Swansea while Mousa Dembele and Capoue each pinged off a couple of shots, but all three offer more in terms of physicality than firepower.
Further forward, Nacer Chadli has yet to strongly imply he can carry over his impressive goal tally for Twente, while Andros Townsend and Aaron Lennon’s strengths lie in other areas. Roberto Soldado can’t be expected to score all of Tottenham’s goals, and certainly not from the spot.
The imminently incoming Erik Lamela could change that – he averaged a goal every other game for Roma last term – and Spurs would be delighted with a third consecutive 1-0 win here. But another clean sheet looks like an uphill task: Olivier Giroud, like Ramsey, has grown in confidence, while Theo Walcott is likely to cause Danny Rose problems and Santi Cazorla is one of the Premier League’s most talented creators.
LAST FIVE MEETINGS
Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal (Prem, Mar 13)
Arsenal 5-2 Tottenham (Prem, Nov 12)
Arsenal 5-2 Tottenham (Prem, Feb 12)
Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal (Prem, Oct 11)
Tottenham 3-3 Arsenal (Prem, Apr 11)
Team news
Gunners fans who vocally demanded Arsene Wenger “spend some f***ing money” will have had their wrath cooled by Champions League progression, but their ire could rise again upon seeing Arsenal’s substitutes bench for this derby. The Gunners had five under-21s in waiting against Fulham, including 16-year-old Gedion Zelalem, and they’ve picked up another injury since.
The hamstrung Lukas Podolski climbs aboard a crowded treatment table already occupied by Mikel Arteta (thigh), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (knee), Thomas Vermaelen (back) and Abou Diaby (general Diaby-ness). There are concerns over a groin strain and an ankle knack to Ramsey and Jack Wheelchair respectively, but Wenger expects both to feature.
Tottenham have no such worries: Lennon is the only doubt, with a foot injury.
Key battle:Santi Cazorla v Etienne Capoue
Cazorla is Arsenal’s creative hub, so often central to attacks, but he faces a wall on Sunday. Capoue made six out of an attempted seven tackles against Swansea and recorded a match-high six interceptions against Crystal Palace despite playing little over half an hour.
With the Tottenham man athletic enough to track the quick-footed Cazorla’s runs (and despite creating six chances, the Spaniard completed only two of five attempted take-ons against Fulham), Arsenal’s playmaker may need to pass around him instead. It’s vital to Spurs that Capoue intercepts those through-balls: neutralising Cazorla would be the first battle won.
The managers
Two world-wearier managers you are unlikely to find. Andre Villas-Boas has been bombarded with Bale questions, while Wenger is so tired of transfer talk that he sighed, “I don’t know what to say any more.”
Maybe, despite their clubs’ market situations being worlds apart – Spurs have spent £90m so far this summer, Arsenal nothing to date – Wenger and Villas-Boas can sympathise with each other that things would be much easier if the window was closed already.
Facts and figures
Arsenal have failed to score in just one of their last 29 Premier League meetings with Tottenham.
Spurs have not kept four clean sheets in a row in the Premier League since January 2010.
There has been a Tottenham player sent off on each of their last two Premier League visits to The Emirates.
Tottenham have failed to hold on to a lead on each of their last two trips across North London, losing 5-2 on both occasions.
13 of the last 14 league matches between Tottenham and Arsenal have gone over 2.5 goals.
There have been 124 goals scored in Premier League meetings between Tottenham and Arsenal; more than any other fixture.
Olivier Giroud has scored in both of Arsenal's league games so far this season and has bagged three goals in his last four Premier League appearances at the Emirates.
All 13 of Giroud's Premier League goals have come in London, 11 at The Emirates, one at West Ham and one at Fulham.
The Welshman scored in both meetings between the teams last season.
Jermain Defoe has scored twice in 18 Premier League appearances against Arsenal.
Only against Liverpool (two in 19) does Defoe have a worse record (10+ appearances).
Lukas Podolski has played a hand in eight goals (scoring five and assisting three) in his last seven Premier League starts for Arsenal.
Only Eden Hazard (10) has created more chances in the Premier League this season than Nacer Chadli (9).
FourFourTwo prediction
This fixture usually sees goals aplenty, but as both teams settle into the season, a low-scoring draw looks more probable. 1-1.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwo-preview-arsenal-vs-tottenham
Billed as...
A cracking North London derby, with free-spending (albeit Bale-less) Spurs visiting miserly old Wengerville as the pair go head-to-head for fourth place. Again.
The lowdown
Arsenal silenced their critics yet again, rolling to comfortable victories over Fulham and Fenerbahce. There’s no doubt that reports of their demise were always greatly exaggerated, but there’s nothing like two wins in four days – sparked by an improving Aaron Ramsey – to stop the mutterings, even if their squad does look rather familiar.
Tottenham are much changed from last year. However, they're still more chrysalis than butterfly at the moment. The arrivals of Paulinho and Etienne Capoue have yielded enviable solidity in midfield, but at the expense of threats going forward. Paulinho showed a willingness to get forward against Swansea while Mousa Dembele and Capoue each pinged off a couple of shots, but all three offer more in terms of physicality than firepower.
Further forward, Nacer Chadli has yet to strongly imply he can carry over his impressive goal tally for Twente, while Andros Townsend and Aaron Lennon’s strengths lie in other areas. Roberto Soldado can’t be expected to score all of Tottenham’s goals, and certainly not from the spot.
The imminently incoming Erik Lamela could change that – he averaged a goal every other game for Roma last term – and Spurs would be delighted with a third consecutive 1-0 win here. But another clean sheet looks like an uphill task: Olivier Giroud, like Ramsey, has grown in confidence, while Theo Walcott is likely to cause Danny Rose problems and Santi Cazorla is one of the Premier League’s most talented creators.
LAST FIVE MEETINGS
Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal (Prem, Mar 13)
Arsenal 5-2 Tottenham (Prem, Nov 12)
Arsenal 5-2 Tottenham (Prem, Feb 12)
Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal (Prem, Oct 11)
Tottenham 3-3 Arsenal (Prem, Apr 11)
Team news
Gunners fans who vocally demanded Arsene Wenger “spend some f***ing money” will have had their wrath cooled by Champions League progression, but their ire could rise again upon seeing Arsenal’s substitutes bench for this derby. The Gunners had five under-21s in waiting against Fulham, including 16-year-old Gedion Zelalem, and they’ve picked up another injury since.
The hamstrung Lukas Podolski climbs aboard a crowded treatment table already occupied by Mikel Arteta (thigh), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (knee), Thomas Vermaelen (back) and Abou Diaby (general Diaby-ness). There are concerns over a groin strain and an ankle knack to Ramsey and Jack Wheelchair respectively, but Wenger expects both to feature.
Tottenham have no such worries: Lennon is the only doubt, with a foot injury.
Key battle:Santi Cazorla v Etienne Capoue
Cazorla is Arsenal’s creative hub, so often central to attacks, but he faces a wall on Sunday. Capoue made six out of an attempted seven tackles against Swansea and recorded a match-high six interceptions against Crystal Palace despite playing little over half an hour.
With the Tottenham man athletic enough to track the quick-footed Cazorla’s runs (and despite creating six chances, the Spaniard completed only two of five attempted take-ons against Fulham), Arsenal’s playmaker may need to pass around him instead. It’s vital to Spurs that Capoue intercepts those through-balls: neutralising Cazorla would be the first battle won.
The managers
Two world-wearier managers you are unlikely to find. Andre Villas-Boas has been bombarded with Bale questions, while Wenger is so tired of transfer talk that he sighed, “I don’t know what to say any more.”
Maybe, despite their clubs’ market situations being worlds apart – Spurs have spent £90m so far this summer, Arsenal nothing to date – Wenger and Villas-Boas can sympathise with each other that things would be much easier if the window was closed already.
Facts and figures
Arsenal have failed to score in just one of their last 29 Premier League meetings with Tottenham.
Spurs have not kept four clean sheets in a row in the Premier League since January 2010.
There has been a Tottenham player sent off on each of their last two Premier League visits to The Emirates.
Tottenham have failed to hold on to a lead on each of their last two trips across North London, losing 5-2 on both occasions.
13 of the last 14 league matches between Tottenham and Arsenal have gone over 2.5 goals.
There have been 124 goals scored in Premier League meetings between Tottenham and Arsenal; more than any other fixture.
Olivier Giroud has scored in both of Arsenal's league games so far this season and has bagged three goals in his last four Premier League appearances at the Emirates.
All 13 of Giroud's Premier League goals have come in London, 11 at The Emirates, one at West Ham and one at Fulham.
The Welshman scored in both meetings between the teams last season.
Jermain Defoe has scored twice in 18 Premier League appearances against Arsenal.
Only against Liverpool (two in 19) does Defoe have a worse record (10+ appearances).
Lukas Podolski has played a hand in eight goals (scoring five and assisting three) in his last seven Premier League starts for Arsenal.
Only Eden Hazard (10) has created more chances in the Premier League this season than Nacer Chadli (9).
FourFourTwo prediction
This fixture usually sees goals aplenty, but as both teams settle into the season, a low-scoring draw looks more probable. 1-1.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwo-preview-arsenal-vs-tottenham
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
This game won't mean that much in the scheme of things. Lose this and we'll be level on points with 35 games to go. Draw this and we'll be unbeaten heading into the the international break. Win this and we'll have nine points and a solid start, but with much harder tests to come.
So, realistically, not much at stake here. But, emotionally....this is an NLD. And we must always head into these derbies looking to f***ing win, no excuses accepted. And we need to stick it to them early, if only to shut the gobs of Uncle Mike and co. for a while.
-----------------------------Lloris------------------------------
Walker-----------Dawson---------------Verts---------------Rose
-----------------Capoue---------------Paulinho-----------------
Lamela----------------------Dembele-----------------------Chadli
-----------------------------Soldado----------------------------
Subs: Gomes, Kaboul, Naughton, Sandro, Holtby, Lennon,Defoe
Subs not used: Friedel, Chiriches, Siggy, Eriksen, new LB ( [-o< ), new striker ( [-o< ), Carroll
Let's change the tune this year. If we win at their place, we set down a psychological marker right at the start of the season, and hopefully gain the confidence necessary to see out what will be a long, gruelling eight months with Arsenal nipping at our bootheels the entire time. Let's shape things ourselves, for once, instead of letting events shape ourselves. Come. On. You. F***ing. Spurs.
21-0 Arsenal, Sanogo with all of them,with Flamini breaking Walker's leg and Bale flipping the bird at AVB from the directors' box as Wenger gleefully drags Tommy Carroll into his child-catcher's van.
So, realistically, not much at stake here. But, emotionally....this is an NLD. And we must always head into these derbies looking to f***ing win, no excuses accepted. And we need to stick it to them early, if only to shut the gobs of Uncle Mike and co. for a while.
-----------------------------Lloris------------------------------
Walker-----------Dawson---------------Verts---------------Rose
-----------------Capoue---------------Paulinho-----------------
Lamela----------------------Dembele-----------------------Chadli
-----------------------------Soldado----------------------------
Subs: Gomes, Kaboul, Naughton, Sandro, Holtby, Lennon,Defoe
Subs not used: Friedel, Chiriches, Siggy, Eriksen, new LB ( [-o< ), new striker ( [-o< ), Carroll
Let's change the tune this year. If we win at their place, we set down a psychological marker right at the start of the season, and hopefully gain the confidence necessary to see out what will be a long, gruelling eight months with Arsenal nipping at our bootheels the entire time. Let's shape things ourselves, for once, instead of letting events shape ourselves. Come. On. You. F***ing. Spurs.
21-0 Arsenal, Sanogo with all of them,with Flamini breaking Walker's leg and Bale flipping the bird at AVB from the directors' box as Wenger gleefully drags Tommy Carroll into his child-catcher's van.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
------------ Lloris
Walker Dawson Kaboul Vertonghen
--- Paulinho Sandro Capoue
- Townsend Soldado Chadli
And could statto remove the pics of the various gooner ****s from this OMT please.
Walker Dawson Kaboul Vertonghen
--- Paulinho Sandro Capoue
- Townsend Soldado Chadli
And could statto remove the pics of the various gooner ****s from this OMT please.
clevelandspur
Pascal Chimbonda
---------------Lloris---------------------
Walker--Dawson--Kaboul--Rose
-----------Capoue--Paulinho------
-------------------Holtby--------------
Townsend----Soldado-----Chadli
**** this lot 6-0 yids take a ****
Walker--Dawson--Kaboul--Rose
-----------Capoue--Paulinho------
-------------------Holtby--------------
Townsend----Soldado-----Chadli
**** this lot 6-0 yids take a ****
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Lloris
Walker - Dawson - Verts - Rose
Capoue Dembele
Lennon Paulinho Chadli
Soldado
subs: Friedel, Townsend, Defoe, Siggy, Sandro, Kaboul, Carroll
If Azza's fit he has to start, he always does well against the Filth; Andros for the impact...I'd also play Paulinho in behind Soldado for this one, as he will not only offer some tidy shooting but can also close down from the front areas, with Capoue able to in front of the back four and Moussa as the more skillful, quick-footed part of that tandem (basically playing a Sandro role)...if it's not working then they can switch back, but effectively, i think Paulinho with a 'freer' role in behind Soldado and as the more attacking midfielder will offer a higher percentage of chances/goalscoring opportunities than Moussa....
I feel fine about this game. I know we've not scored from open play yet in the Prem this season, but that's been down to our wastefulness and not our chance creation IMO...
Walker - Dawson - Verts - Rose
Capoue Dembele
Lennon Paulinho Chadli
Soldado
subs: Friedel, Townsend, Defoe, Siggy, Sandro, Kaboul, Carroll
If Azza's fit he has to start, he always does well against the Filth; Andros for the impact...I'd also play Paulinho in behind Soldado for this one, as he will not only offer some tidy shooting but can also close down from the front areas, with Capoue able to in front of the back four and Moussa as the more skillful, quick-footed part of that tandem (basically playing a Sandro role)...if it's not working then they can switch back, but effectively, i think Paulinho with a 'freer' role in behind Soldado and as the more attacking midfielder will offer a higher percentage of chances/goalscoring opportunities than Moussa....
I feel fine about this game. I know we've not scored from open play yet in the Prem this season, but that's been down to our wastefulness and not our chance creation IMO...
Hotspur
Banned
Yep no Dawson for this one please
........................Lloris
Walker..Vertonghen..Kaboul...Rose
........Paulinho....Capoue...Dembele
....Townsend.....Soldado....Chadli
2-1 (Soldado, Paulinho).
COYS
Edit: I have to say, if it was Eriksen and Lamela for Townsend and Chadli, jesus that'd be a strong team.
Walker..Vertonghen..Kaboul...Rose
........Paulinho....Capoue...Dembele
....Townsend.....Soldado....Chadli
2-1 (Soldado, Paulinho).
COYS
Edit: I have to say, if it was Eriksen and Lamela for Townsend and Chadli, jesus that'd be a strong team.
Destroy All Gooners
Stuart Nethercott
I really hope we don't ship another five goals to that shower of ****