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To Dier is To Do (Doo)

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 31 Jul 2014.

  1. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    I’m fully aware of how xG works. Whether it’s “accurate” is subjective really.
     
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  2. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Doesn't seem like you are going by your other post.

    'Should' have scored 3 or 4 more on top of the 7 goals they did score, 10 or 11 goals in one game of football - truly that performance must have been the pinnacle of the modern game if they should have scored that many over 90 minutes as you never see a score line like that, like ever... even the 7 they did score is an irregularity. How often have Liverpool, City, Chelsea or ourselves (when flying) pulled off score lines like that over the last few years? Off the top of my head nothing leaps out. Could it be that the chances that you think should be reflected as a 1 in xg in reality aren't actually that high which is he reason why we don't regularly see games with those sorts of scorelines?


    Regardless you seem to accept earlier that shots against is a valid measure of how a defence is doing but the more refined Xg stat which attempts to sort the 30 yard hit and hopes from the gilt edged one on ones isn't- which doesn't really make sense as it shows how many big chances a defence us giving away, whether you agree with the metrics or not.
     
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  3. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    Shots on goal can be slightly misleading if the team are just taking pot shots from outside the area. xG is far more subjective. Anyone watching that game last week will tell you villa should have scored more than 3.35 goals which is what xG worked out they should have scored. I’m hardly alone in being critical of xG really. It’s true sometimes teams score 6 or 7 when every shot seems to go in but I’m sure there’s plenty of other examples where xG has underestimated how many goals a team should have scored. Honestly, I feel like I could write “COYS I love Spurs” and you’d find a way to disagree somehow :D yeah but WHY do you think that? Doesn’t seem like it computes with the metrics from your previous posts.

    aaaaanyway back to Dier. He’s been slightly better this season but going forward I don’t think he’s the answer unless he keeps improving.
     
  4. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Chris Perry

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    xG doesn't record all the chances just shots.

    The likes of Gazza's famous extra time chance against Germany in Euro 96 wouldn't be recorded by xG.
     
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  5. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Seems to me a lot of people who dismiss xg (and from your postings so far i would believe you fall in to thus category) tend to get too hung up on the numbers - an xg of 3 or 4.whatever for Team A should be looked at as a performance where a lot of goal scoring opportunities were created, not that Team A should have scored 3 or 4 goals only in the match.
     
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  6. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    No other stat would record that missed chance either afaia and with the point initially being that Shots Against is a less accurate measure of the level of chances a defence is conceding than Xg, then I'm not sure what the relevance is?
     
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  7. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Paul Stalteri

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    Statistical given my lifestyle and weight I should have died about 10 years ago. I'm gutted I want what that bloke on the TV ads is getting that £3k will be really handy when I'm dead.
     
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    parklane1 David Ginola

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    Please do not start giving stat junkies another useless stat to toss over, XG fools enough of them as it is. ;)
     
  9. awesome dawson

    awesome dawson Mauricio Taricco

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    Define uneducated?
     
  10. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Never new Lukaku was so fast :eek:
     
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    milo Jürgen Klinsmann Staff Member

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  12. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    He’s always been fast but never had the touch needed
    TBF he has always played for counter attacking sides here
     
  13. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Jimmy McCormick

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    So, conceded another peno against Lukaku. Didn't see it, so was it a fair cop?

    If so, I'm a bit concerned that he seems to give them away all the time.

    If not, ah, well. Napoleon's adage about lucky generals springs to mind - he's not bad, just singularly unfortunate, all the time.
     
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    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Was a fair pelanty Lukaku, done him for pace and then Dier dove in bringing him down
     
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    Bullet Ian Walker

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    Scara posted links to educate you, which you ignored.
     
  16. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    He posted a 5 year old link that said Dier reached 35km/h in a one off sprint at one point that season - don't think that has much relevance regarding whether Dier is a particularly quick defender or not, when things like acceleration over short distances and agility have a much greater importance than top speed.
     
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    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    Bullet Ian Walker

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    The links confirmed that Dier hit 35kmh which matches almost everyone else in the division. He might be slower or faster 5 years on, I don't know. But to suggest he is fast is not laughable. I agree acceleration and agility are important but that wasn't what I was discussing.
     
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    Yiddo Steve Carr

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    Have to disagree with him when he says the decision to tackle was wrong. He had to make a challenge or Lukaku was scoring, he chose the wrong tackle.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    It was a pen
    But lukaku did lean into him when being tackled to fall over. Reminded me of Kane vs the Greek lad at arsenal last season when he did the same thing and got nothing... but this was clearer as Dier slid when he didn’t need to
     
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