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To Dier is To Do (Doo)

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 31 Jul 2014.

  1. awesome dawson

    awesome dawson Mauricio Taricco

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    We will have to wait and see, i would start Toby without a doubt he's our best defender. Like i said above, it’s not just about pace.
     
  2. awesome dawson

    awesome dawson Mauricio Taricco

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    I’ll trust my judgment on watching every game rather than some internet keyboard warrior who claims Dier is the fastest Spurs player thanks. As i said its not just his pace, in fact my primary issue with him playing CB is that he’s not a CB by trade and can do his, on the job training, somewhere else.
     
  3. parklane1

    parklane1 David Ginola

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    I was amazed by that one as well.
     
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  4. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    You trust subjective judgement over measured, objective, facts, compiled by OPTA and expect me to take any of the other points seriously?
     
  5. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    I think Toby has lost it myself
    Can’t run and can’t jump
    It’s a demise we saw with Verts
    The Everton game was classic legs for me which is such a shame for a guy who has been brilliant
     
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  6. parklane1

    parklane1 David Ginola

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    Sorry to say that i agree, he looks lost at times and his awareness/ reading of the game ( which was always one of his biggest strengths) seems to have gone.
     
  7. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    Is gladly glady be wrong but to me it just looks like what we have seen before
    I do think though coming into a team that’s riding high will work out better for him
    That Everton game we looked well well off the pace
     
  8. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    He's fast in the same way that a boulder's fast if you roll it down a steep hill.
     
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  9. awesome dawson

    awesome dawson Mauricio Taricco

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    Ok much like your views on anything from Boris to BLM, I'm happy to differ from you in my views on things.
     
  10. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    So we agree you're wrong?
     
  11. awesome dawson

    awesome dawson Mauricio Taricco

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    Yeah you’re right Dier is an amazing CB, Boris is a great leader and WLM.
     
  12. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    When was our last clean sheet with Dier out of interest?
     
  13. braineclipse

    braineclipse Barry Daines

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    I don't know.

    Dier has played every minute in the PL so far, only two teams have conceded less than us. Our xG against is looking fairly good all things considered.

    Small sample size, though our defensive record towards the end of last season was also fairly good with only 3 teams conceding fewer than us after the restart.

    Not quite good enough perhaps. Room for improvement for sure. If Dier can step up or not is one question, but for right now it's alright at least.
     
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    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    Yeah he’s been ok so far, not great but not terrible. Think we definitely need better than him and Sanchez long term unless they both improve significantly. I only asked about the clean sheets because we seemed to do alright without him when he was suspended at the end of last season. 10 points from 12 and two clean sheets. And we’ve not had one since he came back IIRC?
     
  15. Bullet

    Bullet Ian Walker

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    To paraphrase LutonSpurs; you're being irrational and uneducated
     
  16. braineclipse

    braineclipse Barry Daines

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    I'm not sure looking at clean sheets over a small sample is particularly useful. Why look at that instead of goals conceded, shots against or xG against?
     
  17. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    Was merely an observation over the last 15-20 games or so that we haven’t kept many clean sheets with Dier in at CB. There are times you need to eek out a 1-0 win. Shots against or goals conceded I’ll give you. xG is the biggest load of nonsense ever.
     
  18. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Why is shots against acceptable but a more refined version of the same stat not?
     
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  19. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    Aston Villa’s xG against Liverpool was 3.35 I read somewhere. Granted a couple of their goals were deflections but they should have scored at least 3 or 4 more. They could have scored 10 with the clear cut chances they had.
     
  20. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Andy Thompson

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    Therin is the point! COULD have. Because every chance isn't converted! That's the whole point of xG! It shows how many goals a team is expected to score, in relation to the chances they created, thus giving a fairly accurate perspective of what the score should be.
     
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