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Throw ins

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Cochise, 1 Oct 2015.

  1. Cochise

    Cochise Steve Carr

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    Is it me or are we really bad at this area of the game? Our short throw game is so poor, we regularly launch it long because we aren't making the short throw option quickly enough.
     
  2. milo

    milo Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    I can't say that I have noticed us being particularly bad @Cochise - which clubs do you think are good at throw ins?
     
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  3. Cochise

    Cochise Steve Carr

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    A lot of them tbh. It's such a minor thing, but we never have enough people showing for them.

    Most teams in the BPL that like to keep the ball on the deck manage it.
     
  4. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    We're not great but it's due to a lack of movement IMO.

    Our movement off the ball (a small handful of players aside) has been poor for a long time, this gets shown up particularly clearly at throws.
     
  5. milo

    milo Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    I wonder whether this is one of those things where we notice the mistakes that we make more than other clubs because we are paying more attention and have more emotional investment.
     
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  6. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    Throw ins are like corners now... A lost art

    Most clubs are horrible at both and its stems from trying to make defenders into wingers, wi hers into forwards, forwards into a variety of roles and no one who can actually take a corner or throw in well as its a basic skill that I'd assume is rarely practised
     
  7. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Steve Carr

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    Been very impressed with Lamela's corners since he's taken over that role from Eriksen.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    Yeah he had a few assist last season too from corners

    My comment was a generalisation though about all teams
     
  9. milo

    milo Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    We've covered corners to death but winning one gives a team little advantage. Statistically, there isn't much less of a chance of the defending team breaking and scoring than the attacking team scoring from the corner. We are doing the right thing of taking more short corners which does increase your chances of creating a clear goalscoring opportunity.
     
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    glasgowspur Nick Barmby

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    It's the way they throw the ball t the part of the body that you can't control the ball with, or at least makes it difficult. What's wrong with to feet?

    It's like these lobbed spinning 20yard cross field passes that puts the receiver under pressure, WTF is that all about? Along the deck to feet. Glad to say that's something that Poch seems have cut out for us but there's still plenty of them out there doing it.
     
  11. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    Like the short corner we took vs City!!!

    And the long one we took and scored from

    The problem with stats that take into account effectiveness they don't take into account the person executing it and the person on the end of it. There purely quantity based and you will get a fair number of corners over a season

    All set plays need an amount of work done on them at both ends of the pitch and all have a way of being a threat and a risk.
     
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  12. milo

    milo Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    I did not say that no one scores from long corners. It is just that far less goals are scored from them than most fans think.
     
  13. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    12% of corners result directly in a shot. Of those, only 13% are scored. Compared to other shots from that kind of area that's only slightly below the average. So that's a direct goal from a corner every 65 or so corners.

    If we include all shot from a corner situation (not just direct ones) then we're up to 17% of corners resulting in a shot and 17% of them resulting in a goal. That includes short corners and those that ping around the box before being scored - I don't have the data to separate them.

    TL: DR - You're right, direct corners are a poor way of scoring unless you're set up to specialise in them which obviously hurts you elsewhere. One day soon, English people will begin to realise that "Into the mixer" is not a beneficial tactic and football in this country will be vastly improved for it.
     
  14. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    just punting the ball into the mixer s hardly a calculated tactic that is used anymore

    However a decent corner taken and aimed at a player who is anticipating it as its a planned routine can work well

    The problem with the stats quoted as per usual is there is no context and they dont take into account who is taking the corner, who is defining the corner and who is trying to receive the ball
     
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    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Is there any reason to assume that (over the course of the two full seasons measured) teams don't mostly use their best corner taker and aim at their best headers?

    Equally I think it's fairly safe to assume that the defending team will be using their best headers to mark the opposition's best.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    Having seen plenty of corners not even read the front post ill assume that if those players are the best available then clearly there has been no work done on the training pitch on corners, and if so id consider it a missed opportunity
     
  17. alekaras

    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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    Leaving the overall analysis aside and focusing on the Monaco game, what baffled me the most was that Rose continued to take all the throw-ins on the left, even after his hand was wrapped up like a Xmas present! I mean, there's no one else that can take a throw-in in the team?!
     
  18. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Steve Carr

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    Ha! I said to my wife when she saw what happened as she was ironing, don't worry, footballers are not that stupid, he'll leave the throw-ins to someone else ...

    Doh!
     
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    Papercut Jermaine Jenas

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    Surprised Stoke and Delay haven't been mentioned! stitch a towel in Walker's shirt (but hope he doesn't fall over it, kidding!!)
     
  20. milo

    milo Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    If a team did as you suggest and did plenty of work on corners on the training pitch, what percentage increase in goals scored or chances created do you think they could expect?
     

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