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The race for 86 points

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by 90291Spur, 29 Nov 2016.

  1. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I think that the slow start can easily be explained by the team still being a little inexperienced and losing Kane and Dembele. I'm confident that we would cope with that better now.
     
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  2. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    Post euros hangover!!!!

    Don't worry though as next summer we have the bloody World Cup to ruin our start
     
  3. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I don't really buy into the post Euros theory, a lot of clubs would have had players there.

    I do think that Poch times it so that we hit peak fitness for the run in. We need to get better at winning ugly in the first half of the season to give us that platform for when our form peaks.
     
  4. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    I wasn't trying to suggest that the slow start was something fundamental. It's just one of those things. Losing Dembele meant we had to change how we played to start the season, when more continuity from the end of last season would have helped (I don't mean the last two games) ease new players in. We've generally coped very well with the loss of players this season.

    In some ways I think the unbeaten start became a burden. We seemed to be playing not to lose sometimes, which we did, but at cost of points*. After we lost we started playing better.

    * Just look at United's 25 (?) game unbeaten run. When it started they were in 6th. And where are they now?
     
  5. Yoof

    Yoof Tony Parks

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    I think history is being rewritten somewhat. We won 5 and drew 2 of our first 7 games, we were 2nd in the league and one point off top. If there was a Euros hangover then it must've been a delayed one.
     
  6. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    Obviously wouldn't fit their narrative about ManU never spending any money on players... but here's a chart I rustled up with those figures anyway!

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  7. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    Indeed. It was more that run of 4 draws in October (whilst Chelsea were starting that 12 match winning streak and we were struggling in Europe) plus that darned second half reverse at Stamford Bridge in November which put us out of realistic contention for the title this season.

    We did well to reel them in but Chelsea have so many players who experienced winning the title just 2 years ago that there was sod all chance of them doing a Newcastle in the run-in.
     
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  8. Bullet

    Bullet Christian Ziege

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    Thank you Steve. I was just thinking "I wish someone would do a cumulative column chart of Net Transfers + Cumulative Wages" and you already did it!

    You need to change the Chart Title though, misleading.

    Please also can you add a third part to Tottenham's column of £1.86bn in bright yellow, entitled "Amount Chelsea have cheated, under Abramovich".

    Then I can send it round to my friends and unfriends to try to explain what we are dealing with here.

    Today someone said to me "Spurs have done really well considering how little they spent last summer... although they did waste a lot on Sissoko". As if last summer was some sort of oddity where we kept the purse strings tight?! Typical Liverpool fan. Ours is an amazing achievement because of the last 15-20 years, not because of last year.
     
  9. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    Any legacy issues form the euros could have a delayed effect and also kick in when we had more games over a shorter period
     
  10. mudshark

    mudshark Mauricio Taricco

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    The Cheats winning tonight means we couldn't have caught them, even with a win at the athletics track, which means the Spammers' boasts about ending our bid will now ring entirely hollow. Every cloud...
     
  11. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    I just rustled that up using the Google Sheets app on my phone... what title would make things clearer?
     
  12. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    At least Monday Night Football pundits have highlighted how much Chavski have cheated on transfer fees under Abramovich... just wish they'd include wage figures too...

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    Plus how lucky they've been with being able to field their strongest XI week after week...

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  13. Bullet

    Bullet Christian Ziege

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    "Total spent on players" sounds like the incoming transfer fees. I suggest "Total wages and total net transfer spend". Yes, I am a pedant. I want to be sure nobody misunderstands!

    That last image you posted is amazing, just 38 starting XI changes compared to 118 ten years ago.
     
  14. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Chris Perry

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    We have 11 15m+ signings? Off the top of my head, I can think of Lamela, Paulinho, Soldado, Modric, Bent, Bentley, Son, Sissoko and Janssen - that makes nine. Where/who are the other two? I suspect Keane might be one (when we resigned him after six months back in 2009), but I'm very dubious about that.
     
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  15. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    Keane and Defoe when they returned I think
     
  16. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    Wasn't Dembele's release clause at Fulham £15million?
     
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  17. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Chris Perry

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    You might very well be right.

    You might well be right too. But you, me and @SteveAWOL can't all be right - one of them wasn't counted in Sky's 11, while the other two were. :p
     
  18. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    How about this?!

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    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    I'll go for Defoe and Dembele for the 11.

    I think Keane was more like £12m, but there were conflicting claims about the real fee because of money owed being written off. I think it was mainly Liverpool trying to hide how much they had lost in 6 months. £250k per week pays a very good player.

    This reminds me, there was an interview with Keane and Berbatov on Sunday, with them reminiscing about their partnership and how it was a shame it could continue. Unfortunately the interviewer didn't ask them why they buggered off if the partnership was so great.
     
  20. 90291Spur

    90291Spur Frederic Kanoute

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    It also meant, as Cheat$ki beat WBA, that The Finale at The Lane could focus on us saying goodbye, rather than chasing those cvnts.
     

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