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The Next 10 Years - Poll

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Papercut, 30 May 2015.

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The Next Ten Years - Your Choice

  1. Trophies

    47 vote(s)
    67.1%
  2. ECL Qualification

    23 vote(s)
    32.9%
  1. parklane1

    parklane1 David Ginola

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    Only one answer for me, the game is about glory and that means actually winning things ( not finishing among the losers/runners up). I have played all sorts of sport and to me its all about being the best and winning things.

    Over 50 years as a Spurs fan and I hate the way the game has gone thanks to Sky.
     
  2. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Cecil Poynton

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    Hairy muff, Reuters published just 4 photos of the Goons open-top bus parade and avoided reporting on Chavshere' drunken chanting from what I can find...

    Arsenal fans hail cup-winning heroes | Reuters

    I might use them as my primary news source too for the next couple of days!
     
  3. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    good work, they certainly passed me by, their ios app is pretty good, set it to international and you'll avoid all the noise
     
  4. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Chris Perry

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    Winning the Fa Cup used to mean something. Its worthless now.
    The idea that Cups mean glory is not true anymore.

    I'd rather Dortmund's 2012/13 season, 2nd in the League, Champion's League Final, Victory over Real in the semi than Swansea's 2012/13 League Cup Win over Bradford (who even remembers that) and 9th in the League
     
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  5. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Jimmy McCormick

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    You're certainly entitled to your (probably earnestly-held) opinion, but that's bullcrap, imo. Absolute bullcrap. As if the annals of our history will resound to the sounds of a succession of 2nd places, watching more deserving winners lift the silverware that will go down in their own varied histories as examples of their pedigree, prestige and place in the football world.

    Arsenal's back-to-back FA Cups count as much now as they did back then: they just feel less significant because of our concurrent, prodigious fall from grace and pathetic trophy haul in the last fifteen years.
     
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  6. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Chris Perry

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    Couldnt care less about the annuls of history.
    Imagine the excitement of the 2016/17 Champion's League campaign Spurs lording it over Europe playing the most exciting football with a young team and getting as far as the final. Imagine ten years of Champion's League semi finals. Taking our place back at the elite end of football. One of the only teams among them that got there by doing it the right way. Imagine our victories of Barcelona, Real and Bayern.

    Sure you could endure missing out of Champion's League ever year winning Trophies that become more devalued every year against the likes of Villa, Hull, Wigan, Stoke, Cardiff, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Bradford, Birmingham (all recent domestic Cup finalists) just for a nice day out at Wembley and having a few trophies in your history on wikipedia to look at in 30 years with the club in a mess with the rest of the world having moved on.
     
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  7. billyiddo

    billyiddo Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    CL football does look better from the armchair i guess
     
  8. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Jimmy McCormick

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    That's what gets us back into the elite? Second place after second place (actually, not even second places: more like 3rd/4th place after 3rd/4th place)? Our trophy haul is pathetic compared to the clubs we'll be going up against in this hypothetical ten-year run: it will remain pathetic once this run is done, and we will have nothing to show for ten years of losing out to better teams while our rivals win trophies and add to their bulging trophy cabinets.

    And one year, when we are out of the CL, we will look at our single Carling Cup in three-odd decades (counting from 1999, up till 2025/2026) and wonder at what could have been, while Chelsea and Arsenal (and perhaps even West Ham) accumulate the silverware that propels them ahead of us in terms of belonging to the 'elite'. Because in the end, that's what counts, not ten-year flirtations with trophies that end up yielding nothing (see: Newcastle's CL runs) while imposing some stupidly self-defeating austerity just so we can claim we've 'done it the right way' (pfah!).
     
  9. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    it's the money that gets us back into the elite, the money you only get by being in the CL
     
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  10. parklane1

    parklane1 David Ginola

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    Amen to that, what's the point of playing any sport if you never win anything.
     
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  11. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    what's the point of playing any sport if you don't win everything
     
  12. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Chris Perry

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    We both have different interpretations of the champion's league option. You immediately thought of a half arsed Arsenal like failure in the Champion's League every year. I dont want that. I'm pushing instead to the most we can achieve within the limitations of not winning the competition. 10 years of Champion's League finals. The most consistent club in the Europe. The club everyone now wants to see finally win the thing. A club with homegrown talent coming through a homegrown system putting it up to clubs owned by petro-billionaires. A club beloved all over Europe. A club in a really good place to finally win the league in 2026/27. Not a club in a mess in 2026/27 still trying to get CL football sacking manager year after year for underachievement fans bored of winning the League Cup.
     
  13. kanoute16

    kanoute16 John Scales

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    Thing is when you face a team in the CL in a major final (like Chelsea) invariably you're going to find yourself on the wrong end of a 2-0 because they have a tougher meteorology!
    Partly due to the trophies thay have won but also becasue of the quality of the squad as a result of being able to poach players from teams who cannot offer CL and attract players.
    Then you have the likes of Arsenal attracting players like Sanchez and Ozil to lift their squad - all because of CL qualification.

    Yes I'd love trophies but I'd also like the club to have a winners meteorology because they have been facing the best teams in Europe for a decade or more.
     
  14. kanoute16

    kanoute16 John Scales

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    How is winning the league cup being the best? Or the FA cup for that matter?
    What you're saying is finishing anywhere but 1st place is losing - I agree but it's not something that will happen before consistent CL qualification
     
  15. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Jimmy McCormick

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    "
    Sir John Hall became the club's chairman in 1992, and replaced Ardiles with Keegan, who managed to save the team from relegation to the Third Division. Keegan was given more money for players, and he brought in Rob Lee,Paul Bracewell and Barry Venison and the club won the then First Division Championshipat the end of the 1992–93 season, earning promotion to the then new Premier League. At the end of the 1993–94 season, their first year back in the top flight they finished in third, their highest league finish since 1927.[6] The attacking philosophy of Keegan led to the team being labelled "The Entertainers" by Sky Sports.[11]

    Keegan took Newcastle to two consecutive runners-up finishes in the league in 1995–96and 1996–97, coming very close to winning the title in the former season. This success was in part due to the talent of players like David Ginola, Les Ferdinand and Alan Shearer, who was signed on 30 July 1996 for a then world record fee of £15 million.

    Keegan left Newcastle in January 1997 and was replaced by Kenny Dalglish, however the club endured a largely unsuccessful season with a thirteenth-place finish in the 1997–98 FA Premier League, failure to progress beyond the group stages of the 1997–98 UEFA Champions League despite beating Barcelona and group winners Dynamo Kiev at St James Park as well as coming from 2–0 down to draw 2–2 with Valery Lobanovsky's team in Ukraine and defeat in the 1998 FA Cup Final. Dalglish was replaced as manager early in the following season by Ruud Gullit.[12][13]

    The club once again finished thirteenth in the league and lost the 1999 FA Cup Final. Gullit fell into disagreements with the squad and chairman Freddy Shepherd, and quit the club four games into the 1999–2000 season with the team bottom of the table to be replaced byBobby Robson.[13][14] The club managed to reach an FA Cup Semi-final and to stay in the Premier League.

    2000s[edit]
    A title challenge emerged during the 2001–02 season, and Newcastle's fourth-place finish saw them qualify for the Champions League. The following season, Robson guided the team to another title challenge and finished third in the League, and the second group stage of the Champions League.[15] Newcastle finished fifth in the league at the end of the 2003–04 season, and exited the Champions League in the qualifying rounds, but despite this Robson was sacked in August 2004 following a series of disagreements with the club.[16][17]

    Graeme Souness was brought in to manage by the start of the 2004–05 season. In the time he managed, he broke the club's transfer record by signing Michael Owen, however he was sacked in February 2006 after a bad start to the 2005–06 season.[18] Glenn Roeder took over, initially on a temporary basis, before being appointed full-time manager at the end of the season.[19] Shearer retired at the end of the 2005–06 season as the club's all-time record goal scorer, with a total of 206 goals.
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    I non-figuratively copy-pasted that from the Toon's wiki page, right down to the footnote numbers.

    A club with homegrown talent coming through, putting it up to clubs owned by petro-billionaires?

    A club beloved all over Europe? A club in a really good place to finally win the league in 2026/2027?

    Not a club to mess with in 2026/2027?

    A winner's meteorology, would you say?


    Come on, mate, that's boll*cks. I would have ten years of Carling Cup successes and FA Cup triumphs over Newcastle-esque delusions of being in the elite on the back of a few seasons of glitter and runners-up finishes. Do we consider Newcastle an 'elite' club now? Boll*cks, they're still a provincial club who haven't won a thing since 1955, big stadium, noisy fans and CL runs be damned. And we will be in a similar situation if we embark on the course you've suggested.
     
  16. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    just being in it doesn't make you elite, but it jumps you to the head of the queue to spend your way there
     
  17. King of Norway

    King of Norway Gudni Bergsson

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    If we were good enough to win a trophy every season, I reckon we'd finish in the top 4 most seasons too.
     
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  18. Jordinho

    Jordinho Bill Brown Staff Member

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    Newcastle back then sounds a lot like the club you want, throwing money at overrated marquee signings in a show of faux ambition.
     
  19. parklane1

    parklane1 David Ginola

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    Now you are being silly.
     
  20. parklane1

    parklane1 David Ginola

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    Pretty obvious I would have thought too most people.
     

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