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The Limp Struggle to Sneak into the top 4 2021/22

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 27 Dec 2021.

  1. harr1984

    harr1984 Steffen Iversen

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    We gave them a 3 month head start? Nuno got manager of the month for the first month of the season, and we were four points off Arsenal after Conte's first game in charge. Remind me how many points off Arsenal we are now? Lets not pretend its all Nuno's fault we arent in the top 4.....
     
  2. tommysvr

    tommysvr Mido

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    No blame on Nuno in my post other than the game at the Emirates. But we had a completely disrupted pre-season, a good month and then 2 rough ones. To be where we are is quite good, is the point I was making.
     
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  3. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    We were top and they were bottom of the table at one point if i remember correctly.
    Then the first NLD of the season we had a chance to pile on the misery but didn't turn up.
     
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  4. parklane1

    parklane1 Terry Dyson

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    Amen to that.
     
  5. metalgear

    metalgear Jack Jull

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    When the objective of football is to score and you get zero or one shot on target in an entire match, that's going to be a fail or a 4/10. Yes we are that inconsistent or volatile... Not losing to the top two is excellent and at least 8/10 so we are really quite inconsistent

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  6. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Les Ferdinand

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    Is custard the right consistency? Maybe that's where we're going wrong.
     
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  7. FatBloke

    FatBloke Pascal Chimbonda

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    I did say it was complicated! On Saturday, Liverpool managed 3 shots on target, as did we. Was that a 5/10 from both teams?

    Don't get me wrong -- dour football isn't what I want to see regularly from Spurs -- but a team putting in a very good defensive performance is no bad thing. No matter what Klopp says.
     
  8. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    So you're saying consistency is the key, but each team sets its own standard?

    Consistency comes from refining the controllables to as near to perfection as possible (so no goalkeeping howlers, defensive brainfarts etc), so at best, nothing 'you do' stops you winning. The uncontrollables, are just that, the ref being a prick, ronaldo having a ronaldo day, a shot bouncing in off a balloon, a goalie having a blinder. And in reality they are not common events. Your ceiling is then set by quality of player and depth of squad to rotate in similar quality to rest or replace your main men.

    I think Contes coaching approach is all about consistency, and truth be told if he establishes that, it'll be the annoying results (saints h&a, burnley, wolves, bha, etc) that get sorted out first, that would mean 3rd or 4th quite easily, as we will always have our way of playing against Liverpool and Emirates Marketing Project that can yield results.
     
  9. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Nick Barmby

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    Unfortunately you're too right! Heard on radio this morning that the new CL rules will totally dispense with the whole co-efficient thing. It will cease altogether.
     
  10. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Micky Hazard

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    Consistency by definition has to be by your own standards as each team is different
    Consistency for us is equaling last years points total. We are going to exceed it so we have outdone ourselves through being better and having better players and staff
    Next year that’s the benchmark
     
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  11. FatBloke

    FatBloke Pascal Chimbonda

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    I'm saying that consistency is a lazy cliché, and that it must be considered alongside a team's ceiling.

    I think we have different definitions of consistency. Your definition is perfection (or close to it), while mine is maintaining the same level every week. Which could be anywhere from bloody brilliant to Accrington Stanley.

    You argue that making a defensive brainfart is being inconsistent -- but then, so is scoring a worldie. Unless you do that every week.

    I think we also disagree on ceiling, come to think of it. For me, a team's ceiling is the very best that they can perform, with their strongest XI on the pitch, whereas you're including squad depth.

    However, we can agree that the ideal scenario is that a team plays consistently (!) close to their ceiling every week. For me, the truly consistent team would perform almost as well with a handful of players injured or rotated -- thanks to a well-coached system, good backup players, etc.

    I'm not saying that either of us is right. If anything, I think we've got similar views -- your last paragraph is bang on the money for me. It's just our semantics that are different. Isn't arguing about semantics exactly what the internet was designed for? :rolleyes:
     
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  12. braineclipse

    braineclipse Gary Stevens

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    Very good post.

    At the very least this is another important factor in addition to consistency.

    Liverpool and City are so good that they can have a slightly off day up against a mid table team having a good day and still expect to win the game most of the time I think.

    They still have inconsistent performances, but the fluctuations are at a higher level overall.

    Now, that can be true and they can be more consistent than us at the same time of course. But I would argue that overall quality is more of an issue for us than inconsistency.
     
  13. GPRD81

    GPRD81 Erik Edman

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    Agreed. You could be here for the rest of time looking at where points were dropped. That's the beauty/heartache of football - for a low scoring game in one off matches, where small incidents have disproportionate consequences. You could assess the marginal moments Arsenal have gained from this season - the 94th minute equaliser at home to Palace; Fernandes' penalty miss; Chelsea treating their game like a testimonial etc.
     
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  14. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    Close to perfection only in the matter of controlling the controllables. Consistency in doing that.

    Yes, scoring a worldie would be on that list as well. It cant be relied on.

    i'm talking about once the coach has done all he can the level a team can sustain is limited by the quality of its players and its back-ups (to keep that level).....compared to its peers.


    Agreed
     
  15. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    I think a lot has to do with squad depth and having faith to be able to rotate when needed. That is a key difference Conte has to clip-klop and oil cash G.
     
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  16. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    I think Leeds will beat Chelsea tonight which really could bring 3rd into possible play
     
  17. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Micky Hazard

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    100%
    Conte only fancies 16 players on the squad and he would like to upgrade on 5 of them I reckon
    So in reality is 11 ish that he really rates and wants
    Pool now have options everywhere to swap in and out with minor dents to their capability.
     
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  18. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    and Leeds start pathetically again
     
  19. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Micky Hazard

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    They are an awful side but actually have some decent players
     
  20. mephitis

    mephitis Steed Malbranque

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    Which we will sweep in on........
     

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