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The Art of VAR

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Gutter Boy, 28 Feb 2018.

  1. StephenH

    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    I agree.
    It will go through many revisions and tweaks over the coming years. It will though stop injustices like at Cardiff and that's a salient starting point.
     
  2. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    Cardiff could conceivably be relegated by a single point this season.

    It’s absolutely ridiculous that such a monied competition can be officiated at such an appalling level. Completely inexcusable.
     
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  3. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Frederic Kanoute

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    Yes but it's much better than a delay in play, when the fans in the stadium don't know what's happening. Cardiff fans can now sleep happily knowing they won't have to suffer the dreaded VAR in the Championship.
     
  4. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Quod erat demonstrandum

    So another attempt by FIFA bureaucrats to rig a match for a rich club, and another at least half a match completely overshadowed by feelings of injustice
     
  5. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    Fletch on BT sport called the pen immediately.

    Not because he thought it was a pen, but because the instruction given to smooth VAR was "any movement than makes the body bigger" counts as hand ball.

    Roses arm went up = Pen. Even though it was a completely natural result of the action and never a pen.

    The decision was "right", though of course the rules were wrong. This is somewhere I agree with Rusx
     
  6. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    City didn't even appeal because it never crossed anyone's mind that it could be a foul
     
  7. Gazza Dazzla

    Gazza Dazzla Chris Armstrong

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    Why use it to overturn 50/50 (being generous) penalty decisions and not for clear red card incidents?

    Watching Walton try and explain the ridiculous decision making last night just made you understand why it’s the shambles it currently is. The guy is clueless and it’s people like him they have in VAR chair.
     
  8. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    The argument for VAR was that it would overturn clear and obvious errors. It's not, or wasn't, supposed to be used for close judgement calls. Even if it is it should be when the referee is questioning his own call, not something instigated by the fourth official when even the opposition didn't appeal. The fourth official should only initiate action for incidents like the Fernandinho elbow.

    More annoyingly, it does seem that the handball call was correct according the the UEFA guidelines, which seem to imply that only severing your arms can remove intent.
     
  9. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    The only catch with the "rules" is, and its by my failing memory, that Im sure there is something to do with closeness as well.

    IE - if the ball was kicked from really near a player that he didnt have time to move his hand/arm out of the way then its not a foul.

    Which I would assume to apply here, its not like there was any real distance.
     
  10. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Ruel Fox

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    listening to the world football phonein yesterday and they and for countries that introduced it early, the MLS is good and mexico is a disaster... Brazil introduced it this year and is also crap.. i think most countries think its bad from what i hear on podcasts.
     
  11. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Verts: “It takes a lot away from the game." "So many things look like a penalty in slow motion." "Before it was quite physical, but now you are too scared to get close to someone.”

    Poch: "I’m very worried about how it’s going to work next season”
     
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  12. elltrev

    elltrev Naybet

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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/q-a-new-handball-law-your-questions-answered-v5hgfcrlm

    'After a meeting in Glasgow last weekend [in March 2019], Ifab said that handball would be given if the player’s arms extended “beyond a natural silhouette”, even when accidental. David Elleray, the technical director of Ifab, said: “If the arms are extended beyond that silhouette, then the body is being made unnaturally bigger, with the purpose of it being a bigger barrier to the opponent or the ball.

    “Players should be allowed to have their arms by their side because it’s their natural silhouette.”

    The new interpretation will come into effect on June 1, the day of the Champions League final.'

    I am genuinely gobsmacked that this is the best wording that the 'powers that be' have been able to come up with. Are you fudging kidding me? What the fudge is a 'natural silhouette' when playing football, especially when running / turning / twisting / sliding / jumping? It certainly isn't having 'their arms by their side.'

    It is truly astounding, I am lost for words at their idiocy.
     
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  13. parklane1

    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    So the goal that was scored was a handball, and the pen which was not a pen was given as one. Glad to see VAR is bring fairness back to our game :rolleyes: What a complete FARCE.
     
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  14. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    So we conceded a penalty due to VAR technicality but Dippers get away with this o_O



    And this attempted leg breaker by Ham Salad :confused:

     
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  15. parklane1

    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    A lot of these prats who make these stupid rules have probably never kicked a ball in anger. What a joke.
     
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  16. elltrev

    elltrev Naybet

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    The AA handball decision is an absolute joke in the context of the Rose and PSG decisions.

    The Ham Salad tackle is disgusting.
     
  17. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    The purpose of VAR (as well as paving the way for in-match advert breaks) is to allow bureaucrats to protect the interests of the richest clubs. The decisions always go in favour of the powerful. We would never have got the penalty if it had been the other way round last night.
     
  18. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    also, it's not June 1st yet
     
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  19. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    There should be a rule that to be a professional referee, or to work for the FA or FIFA, you need to have at least 5 years playing experience at semi-pro or above level.
     
  20. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Frederic Kanoute

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