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The Art of VAR

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Gutter Boy, 28 Feb 2018.

  1. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    With tasers
     
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  2. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    To be used to motivate players off of the ground when they are rolling about feigning injury.
     
  3. mudshark

    mudshark Mauricio Taricco

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    This is my only concern about it all, really. I was a hundred per cent in favour of video refs before the first time I saw the system in action, but the coitus interruptus that follows goals with it in use, I think is going to spoil the whole experience for a lot of people. It has certainly made me much more equivocal in my own view of it.
     
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  4. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    And for bricks and giggles.
     
  5. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Milija Aleksic

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    Never a goal to be overturned tonight, farce, utter farce and don't get me started as I mentioned last year when its used in some games and not others, like Newcastles tie, available In the first let, not last night, offside goal, farce.
     
  6. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    Can’t wait for VAR next season.
     
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    Grays_1890 Milija Aleksic

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    And the goal that is more offside is given? Marvs. Stick it up your Varse
     
  8. parklane1

    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    VAR strikes again, what a surprise.
     
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  9. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    Listening to sid Richardson Spanish podcast and he is saying how in Spain all everyone is now arguing about is VAR and how they are finding it so much harder to accept bad decions now, although there may be decions that are corrected people feel it is less fair as they are more aggrieved by the wrong decions. (they assume its corrupt )

    * Episode feed: The Spanish Football Podcast - http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheSpanishFootballPodcast
     
  10. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Although the implication of that is that wrong decisions have been reduced and therefore its objectives met.
     
  11. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    Yes I made sure I put that bit in for balance. It still comes down to what it objectives are / should be. I cant find a clear statement on the objectives of VAR by Fifa or the FA, I see when it can be used but no overall objective.

    Reduced wrong decisions in isolation is a benefit but its not in isolation.
     
  12. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    For me that's the biggest win possible.

    Anything else is just pointless chatter.
     
  13. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    Don't play the game= no wrong decisions
     
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    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Or all wrong decisions. Until you play the game the decisions both right and wrong.
     
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  15. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    schrodingers football game
     
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  16. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Does it say why?

    Why a decision was bad? Why they cannot accept it?

    I find it hard to comprehend, to be honest. You can see what the ref see's, and its generally completely understandable.
     
  17. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    In general they expect that the decision should be right as you can accept a ref on the pitch getting something wrong in real time but not a group who see lots of replays and it backs up their belief that the bodies are corrupt against them which is prevalent in the Spanish game anyway (even RM think Barca get preferential treatment and vise-versa).

    In this specific incident, (Suarez goal) it would probably not be disallowed in the UK but would normally be in Spain where any contact with the keeper is banned, they gave the goal. It is however not an isolated incident (RM denied a clear penalty last week and it sounds like it has been common) and the fans are quite vocal, instead of talking about the games its only talking about VAR.

    https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2019/01/20/5c44ee18268e3e077e8b462e.html

    https://en.as.com/en/2019/01/07/football/1546864104_174459.html
     
  18. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    So is not a VAR thing, per se, rather a general Spanish corruption/conspiracy thing?

    IE - were VAR decisions completely impartial and 99.9% correct there wouldnt be an issue?
     
  19. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    Using VAR in the game and those two decisions are arguably wrong (grey area with the Suarez as far as rules go but interpretation in Spain its wrong).

    There is the additional part that they do not believe the decisions are more impartial than an on field ref and they think 99.9% using VAR is no better than 95% not using VAR.
     
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    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Given the issues around corruption, or at least the spectre of corruption, Im really not sure Spain can be used a basis to contest VAR in the UK.

    It sounds very much like if use of VAR were properly specified and understood, and if its decisions/decision making properly communicated - most issues with it disappear.
     
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