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The Art of VAR

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Gutter Boy, 28 Feb 2018.

  1. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Jonathan Woodgate

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    Its all abit nuts for me mate. The WC meant that nearly every corner was a pen
     
  2. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    There are two camps and I don't think there is any coming back, I will never like it but what makes me feel aggrieved is the fact there was no real demand for its introduction from the fans (all polls I saw pre WC had 60+ against) and the fact it wasn't perfected before bringing it in, goal line technology needed to be 400% accurate before the PL started using it. Keep getting told it would get better but why not perfect it in League 1 first.

    I like football, I am worried about the direction it is going in.
     
  3. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Jonathan Woodgate

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    Im with you there, I don't see the need for it personally, GL Tech is great and instant. This just kills loads of why I love the game, but the game was not made for me so I will just take it.
     
  4. billyiddo

    billyiddo Paul Stewart Staff Member

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    Teams will just have to adjust their approach to defending corners then - it's no longer a case of defending teams being able to foul their way out of a corner situation by way of knowing there's little chance of being caught in the act.
     
  5. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    Battles at corners have always been a thing, there has been instances where its excessive and they should be punished but this is changing the game.

    Counter to this I know is its always been the rules but I think that's a bit of a cop out as the game is being changed regardless, if we wanted to we could have always been harsher .. we did not want to as its part of the game.
     
  6. parklane1

    parklane1 Luka Modric

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    This.
     
  7. Robbo

    Robbo Paul Stalteri

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    Two things for me, as others have mentioned:

    1) There should be separate refs reviewing incidents, who could then overrule the on field ref if they found he made a mistake/didn't spot something. That would keep the game flowing without the ref leaving the field.

    2) There should be a short review time for incidents. 20-30 seconds max, if the reviewing refs have instant access to TV footage. If they can't conclude either way in that time frame, the original call is likely close enough not to be deemed a clear error by the on field ref. It also means play won't go on for too long before a decision is overrule and the ball moved back (although this is not a flawless argument, as a lot could happen in 30 seconds).
     
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  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    What you call a battle is a foul. If a player can't beat their opponent with their skill or intelligence, resorting to thuggery is not acceptable.
     
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  9. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    I don't agree in practise football is reffed on precedence, if it's never blown for a foul it's not a foul. It's easier doing it this way than change a law, in fact it's in the laws as "excessive force" it's the judgement of what's excessive that's changing.
     
  10. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    That precedence only came about because we couldn't spot all of the fouls. Now we can do that, we can apply the law properly.

    Let's not forget the added bonus that VAR will relegate Leicester and end the career of Andy Carroll (if he hasn't done that himself by now).
     
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  11. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    That precedence occurred because that's how the game was played, even now they can see some of it happening decide not to penalise due to the precedence.

    Either way it's changing the game, I don't like it, i like the battles within reason.
     
  12. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    I am absolutely an advocate of VAR, I think it is necessary. The speed of the game alone is simply too much for one man on the field to keep up with. And while we have the technology to make things more accurate, decisions more correct, I think we should use it. Here I suspect we disagree, it seems you prefer the romanticism of the game, warts and all and all that.

    I do absolutely agree though that if it is to come in, it needs to be done properly. And at the moment it veers somewhere between "ok" and "fudging abysmal". There is massive room for improvement.

    Not least in enforcing the consistency that it was supposed to bring, and improving the speed with which decisions are made.

    If its as quick as your average pundit is with a few replays, I think there is nothing to complain about. 5 minutes the other night at Shalke was ridiculous!
     
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  13. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    My opinion on offsides has always been that if it needs a line to go across and 15 replays then whatever the linesman decides is right, back the spirit of the law its to stop an unfair advantage, half a foot wont do that. If you really want to bring it in it needs to be for the stone cold fudgeups you can see easily, mission creep will happen though and more and more will be included.

    As I said I understand some people want it and understand the reasons, I do not agree with them and I think the way it has been done has been brick. In the next decade I can either see the game changed as they change the rules to suit VAR or it gone (including in game adverts on TV) or it having a greatly reduced scope.
     
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  14. Seedy Ron

    Seedy Ron Justin Edinburgh

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    Agree about offsides, all that drawing lines across the pitch etc is cobblers. Clear and obvious, and all that.
     
  15. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    Offsides are actually one of the ones where you can be absolute about it.

    Worth checking if a goal is scored and its tight, IMO.
     
  16. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    We don't have the technology to be absolute at the moment, its still coming down to angles, when the ball was struck vs leaving foot and the human eye. form what I have seen.
     
  17. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    Which much much more reliable than a lino who isnt in line and gets one look across when a ball is played from 30 yards away...

    ...and so worth doing, IMO. It offers a definite and tangible improvement.
     
  18. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    sure but we are not at a stage where its absolute - we could get there but not there yet.
     
  19. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    Yes, perhaps absolute wasnt the best choice of words - but I would suggest we can be as near as. Very high 90's % correct. Damn near absolute.

    Compared to a fatty linesman huffing up the line and not being able to see everything in detail? Its night and day.

    And Im not suggesting it be the case to scrutinise EVERY offside, rather the ones that have real consequence, IE - is that goal valid?
     
  20. Mr_B

    Mr_B Steed Malbranque

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    i was the biggest fan of goalline technology, nothing more important than ball crossing the line, ref can check in 2 seconds, i was very hesitant about VAR and it worked pretty well in the world cup because it was sparsely used, from what we see in the CL, this is going to be a nightmare, ruling out goals for an iffy tackle 50 yards away is not what VAR was meant for, nor is calling someone offside when their hand/foot is the only part of their body offside, what happened to the attacker having benefit of the doubt/level is onside etc. Football is a beautiful flowing game, i've said it before and said it again, the NFL is a 1 hour game with 17 minutes of action and takes 3 hours to play, football is slowly heading that way.
     
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  21. parklane1

    parklane1 Luka Modric

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    It will be the final nail in the coffin for me. :(:(
     

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