What's the equivalent of racism when it's aimed at sister fudging ladyboys?
It's just that I'd like to describe Neymar as lazy, but I want to know what large and disparate group people are going to assume I'm criticising before I do so.
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Tanguy Ndombele
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It's just that I'd like to describe Neymar as lazy, but I want to know what large and disparate group people are going to assume I'm criticising before I do so.
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Too lazy to Google and check!
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Yeah I was going to post that Waddle had that criticism, I remember reading it as he runs like he has a sack of coal on his shoulders.
I think Le Tissier may have been described as such, although probably by himself too!
JerusalemMan
Johnny Morrison
You must selectively listen then.
Plenty of players are called lazy who are white.
Berbatov, Arshavin, Viduka, Shaw, Robben, Charlie Adam is one that annoys me especially, Ozil (if you count him as white), Cassano...
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This might be taking things too far off topic, but I'd encourage everyone to spend a few minutes taking this test:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html
(Click 'I wish to proceed' at the bottom, then select 'Race IAT' on the next page).
I've taken it twice, and both times it showed that I hold a negative association with black people (as compared with white people). I could even feel it as I was doing the test. I was quite shocked at first, but it was a positive thing in that it made me realise that I (and others) might have more subconscious biases than we realise.
(I'm not saying this means that the 'lazy' narrative being discussed above is true, but personally I am more open to this kind of claim than I used to be).
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html
(Click 'I wish to proceed' at the bottom, then select 'Race IAT' on the next page).
I've taken it twice, and both times it showed that I hold a negative association with black people (as compared with white people). I could even feel it as I was doing the test. I was quite shocked at first, but it was a positive thing in that it made me realise that I (and others) might have more subconscious biases than we realise.
(I'm not saying this means that the 'lazy' narrative being discussed above is true, but personally I am more open to this kind of claim than I used to be).
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Oops yes.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Just a caution that said implicit bias test has faced questions about its validity and reliability for a long time now. At the very least, one-time tests are basically useless, and you have to use it several times and aggregate the results for a more robust indicator of your views. At the very worst, it's completely useless because of its use of arbitrary cutoffs to determine negative associations, which has been highlighted by the American Psychology Association, among others.
By all means, introspect on whether you do have implicit biases, but I'd caution against using this test as a statistically significant predictor of that.
Fair enough, and yes I certainly wouldn’t claim that the results of the test are definitive proof of anything. But I’d still encourage people to give it a try and reflect on their experience, because for me I could actually feel my bias very clearly as I tried to carry out the task, regardless of what the results said. I might be in the minority though!
Should lukaku take the test too? He seems to think he was out of shape at utd.
https://www.sportbible.com/football...lost-16lbs-and-got-in-the-best-shape-20210324
Firstly, I'll repeat what I said earlier: '(I'm not saying this means that the 'lazy' narrative being discussed above is true, but personally I am more open to this kind of claim than I used to be).' In case that language was unclear/misleading, I meant that my post about the Stanford test was more tangential/general than pertaining specifically to the 'laziness' argument.
I don't know where I stand on the laziness argument specifically - I'd like to see some more-than-anecdotal evidence either way.
Bullet
Luka Modric
Slightly pedantic note, but EVERYONE has lots of implicit biases, it is impossible not to. We did a biiiig course on this at work.
E.g. if you see someone who cannot spell, cannot articulate their point well, is very erudite, knowledgeable, is stupid, has a PhD, votes Tory or Labour or Dem or Republican, is very fat, or wearing rags, or filthy, or wearing designer clothes, in a certain car, a certain race, live in a caravan, are a traveller, if you see someone old, or that appears weak, or seems young, is from your local area or from a distant country, has 10 siblings, EVERYONE has a certain reaction to these things.
We all have to be aware of this and try to react in the right way.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Hope so. We'll see.
FolkestoneSpur
Neil Ruddock
Pleeeeeease!!!
FolkestoneSpur
Neil Ruddock
Does seem odd.
I assume they're comparing old data to present, in which case maybe nothing to get too excited about assuming his previous numbers weren't great. But a significant improvement in two weeks?
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
I wouldn't be surprised if he just needed a disciplinarian to get his brick straight.
Why try when you don't HAVE to?
Ah ok, now I HAVE to.
FolkestoneSpur
Neil Ruddock
Agree, pretty sure that's exactly what he needs, it's the time frame though. I guess that starting from an already realatively high fitness base means a big improvement can be seen in a short time.
