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Summer transfer thread, AvB window wrap up pg 1527

Which player would you like to see take over from Luka Modric?

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SWP29 said:
You say "the whole saga" as if it's a deal that dragged on throughout the summer, when in reality it was dragged on over a few hours. Therein lies the problem. At the end of the day, a deal worth £22m can not be negotiated in <24 hours for a club with finances are tight as Spurs. Whether this goes down to the Modric sale (which did drag on) or your chairman's brinksmanship, I don't know. But I don't think it's right to fix the blame solely on Porto.
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The comments around the deal seem to indicate otherwise, seems we pretty much negotiated the deal twice in 24hours.

People keep ignoring the fact that other clubs (e.g. Zenit) were having conversations with Porto. Porto was never going to sell Moutinho early for 22M if there was a possibility to mug one of the Sugar Daddy clubs for twice the price. To Jimmy's point, they probably had a good idea Hulk was going for stupid money (so they would be ok financially) and were trying to force our hand over the top.
 
We may well go back in for Moutinho in January, although now we've played our hand, we may find it even more difficult. Porto will probably be less likely to want to lose him mid-season, and rival clubs will have the opportunity to declare interest (whether seriously or not) and push the price up on us. I can envisage waking up to a rerun of the same story on the 1st of Feb, tbh.
 
mudshark said:
We may well go back in for Moutinho in January, although now we've played our hand, we may find it even more difficult. Porto will probably be less likely to want to lose him mid-season, and rival clubs will have the opportunity to declare interest (whether seriously or not) and push the price up on us. I can envisage waking up to a rerun of the same story on the 1st of Feb, tbh.
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I remember reading that Porto already got in replacements for Moutinho (while they didn't really for Hulk).
 
Raziel said:
Mate, sorry, you really think Moutinho's agent came to Tottenham and stayed in the club until close to 1am to humour fans? It's quite obvious we were seriously bidding for him.
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Was it actually his agent? I thought it was just SSN guessing at who the tanned bloke in the suit might be.
 
Arsenal prepared to give Andrei Arshavin a free transfer in hope of securing move to Dynamo Moscow

Arsenal are understood to have offered Andrei Arshavin a free transfer in the hope that he will finally find a new club before the Russian transfer window closes on Thursday.
 
Bit of a fall from grace, remember when he knocked 4 in at Anfield and was talked up alongside Messi and Ronaldo?
 
Raziel said:
Mate, sorry, you really think Moutinho's agent came to Tottenham and stayed in the club until close to 1am to humour fans? It's quite obvious we were seriously bidding for him.
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serious proof?
 
Porto bought Falcao, Hulk, Pepe, Deco, Bosingwa, Quaresma, Anderson, Meireles, López + Guarín for €51 million and sold them for €352 million
 
Tottenham Hotspur still frustrated by failure to sign João Moutinho

• Tottenham and Porto submitted deal sheet on deadline day
• Third-party investor in Moutinho scuppered the deal

David Hytner
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 4 September 2012 22.18 BST

Andre Villas-Boas's frustration at Tottenham Hotspur's failure to sign João Moutinho from Porto on transfer deadline day was compounded by the knowledge that the clubs had submitted an agreed deal sheet to the Premier League before the 11pm cut-off.

Villas-Boas had made the Portugal midfielder his priority target, considering him to be the player not only to replace Luka Modric, who was sold to Real Madrid for £30m, but to knit together the 4-3-3 formation that he has introduced at White Hart Lane. Moutinho is well schooled in the system, and he played in it under Villas-Boas at Porto.

The Tottenham manager's hopes that the transfer would be completed were raised last Friday when his club and Porto signed the deal sheet and submitted it to the Premier League. The sheet, which is an emergency mechanism for late transfers, cannot be used before 9pm and must be with the League by 11pm.

It allows a club to confirm that an agreement is in place with regard to the fee and the structure of the payments in order to allow for additional time to submit the remaining documents, including the player contract. Once the sheet arrives, the clubs can have until 1am to submit the full paperwork but, in the case of an international transfer, such as this one, the final deadline for everything to be inputted into Fifa's transfer matching system is 12pm.

Tottenham's offer was €25m (£20m), which would have been a club record, eclipsing the £16.6m that they paid to Dynamo Zagreb for Modric in 2008, and they and Porto continued to work on the deal between 11pm and 12 midnight. It is understood that Moutinho wanted the move but his third party ownership presented one issue that could not be resolved before midnight.

A third party investor owns 15% of Moutinho's economic rights, after deals were struck following the player's €10m transfer from Sporting Lisbon to Porto in 2010. Although Porto paid for 100% of Moutinho's rights, they sold 37.5% of them in October of that year to the investor for €4.2m before, in August 2011, buying back 22.5% of them.

The investor's 15% entitled him to a cut of the fee and, under Premier League rules, which forbid third party ownership, he had to be bought out at the Porto end before the deal could be ratified. In the frantic moments before midnight, the clubs could not reach agreement, with sources close to Tottenham saying that Porto went back on the previously signed deal sheet to demand a higher fee.

Another of the complications regarded Moutinho's personal terms and when his demand for a bigger salary was met, Porto used the notion that Tottenham valued him more highly to drive up the fee. Porto already stood to pay Sporting Lisbon a 25% cut of sale profits above €10m, the figure that Sporting had parted with two years ago.

The third party ownership issue resonated further on Tuesday, when Porto confirmed the €40m sale of the striker Hulk to Zenit St Petersburg; the Russian champions have also signed the midfielder Axel Witsel from Benfica for the same price. The Russian transfer window has a later closing date to that in England.

Fifteen per cent of Hulk's economic rights are owned by a third party investor and Porto said, in a filing to the Portuguese stock exchange, that they would receive the fee from Zenit in exchange for the 85% that they held in the player; in other words, Hulk remains under the influence of his third party owner, which is not against the rules in Russia.

Chelsea, though, would appear rueful onlookers, having held an interest in Hulk and agreed a fee of £38m for him in principal with Porto earlier in the summer. The deal, though, foundered over complications related to the buy-out of his third party owner.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/04/tottenham-hotspur-joao-moutinho
 
Mumorn said:
Porto bought Falcao, Hulk, Pepe, Deco, Bosingwa, Quaresma, Anderson, Meireles, López + Guarín for €51 million and sold them for €352 million
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There's so much third part ownership going on with players in Brazil and Portugal that those figures, though looking great on paper, aren't true.
 
Zenit St Petersburg Now Chasing Tottenham Target Joao Moutinho

Mega-rich Russian club Zenit St Petersburg want to continue their spending spree with a bid for Tottenham target Joao Moutinho, according to a Russian football expert.

Zenit, splashed the cash over the weekend, landing Porto striker Hulk and Benfica midfielder Axel Witsel for a combined £64m.

The Russians now want to continue their assault on the Portuguese Primiera Liga by landing Moutinho, also of Porto.

Former Porto coach Andre Vilas-Boas, now boss at White Hart Lane, is a huge fan of Moutinho and the 25-year-old nearly joined Tottenham in a £30m deadline day deal, before the move broke down over the player’s wage demands.

It is thought Spurs may return for a fresh approach in January but Russia Today sports reporter, Alexey Yaroshevsky told talkSPORT that Zenit want to sign the Portugal international before the Russian transfer window closes in two days time.

The news would come as a blow to Villas-Boas, who cannot now add to his Tottenham squad until the new year.
 
Spurs7891 said:
Zenit St Petersburg Now Chasing Tottenham Target Joao Moutinho

Mega-rich Russian club Zenit St Petersburg want to continue their spending spree with a bid for Tottenham target Joao Moutinho, according to a Russian football expert.

Zenit, splashed the cash over the weekend, landing Porto striker Hulk and Benfica midfielder Axel Witsel for a combined £64m.

The Russians now want to continue their assault on the Portuguese Primiera Liga by landing Moutinho, also of Porto.

Former Porto coach Andre Vilas-Boas, now boss at White Hart Lane, is a huge fan of Moutinho and the 25-year-old nearly joined Tottenham in a £30m deadline day deal, before the move broke down over the player’s wage demands.

It is thought Spurs may return for a fresh approach in January but Russia Today sports reporter, Alexey Yaroshevsky told talkSPORT that Zenit want to sign the Portugal international before the Russian transfer window closes in two days time.

The news would come as a blow to Villas-Boas, who cannot now add to his Tottenham squad until the new year.
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This is old - the Russia transfer window has now closed.
 
My biggest thought about all of this is that someone, somewhere KNEW that Moutinho had 3rd party ownership, and as such, we should've been prepared for ALL contingencies and possibilities. It looks to me like someone, somewhere, fudged up. Unless we buy the thought that they didn't want to sell because they knew the Hulk was off for 50 squillion brickers, and thus filed the wrong paperwork to purposely fudge the deal up. If that were the case, I'm sure you'd see Levy down The Strand pronto.
 
spasm said:
brick..IF true
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I think Levy's tactic of signing players on the transfer deadline day has cost us too many players. He should have atleast started the negotiation 1 or 2 days before. It all depends on MOutinho now. He has publicly said wants to play for AVB again. Let's see if he can maintain that or will be lured by big money from Zenit.
 
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