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Summer clear-out

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Mulletperm, 12 Mar 2019.

  1. Legohamster

    Legohamster Chris Armstrong

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    Your last sentence answers the first part
     
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  2. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    Can leave and we wont even notice, will hopefully bring in a few £££:
    Vorm
    KWP
    Wanyama
    NKoudou
    Janssen
    Llorente

    Would be happy to sell for the right money:
    Trippier
    Aurier
    Rose
    Sissoko
    Lamela
    Moura


    Would rather keep but expect will force moves:
    Alderweireld
    Eriksen


    Definitely should stay:
    Lloris
    Gazzaniga
    Sanchez
    Vertonghen
    Foyth
    Davies
    Dier
    Winks
    Dele
    Son
    Kane

    Obviously I dont expect 14 to leave, most likely itll be a little bit from a) a little bit from b)...

    Its highly unlikely we will be able to do optimal business and sell and buy exactly what we want.

    I think if we can let that top lot go we should have no issues around squad numbers and bringing players in.

    I think whoever leaves from the second lot needs replacing.

    Alderweireld and Eriksen seem likely to go. Alderweireld certainly needs replacing directly, Eriksen less so IMO. Theres no one like him out there, more likely we change shape a bit and work that way. As Ive said in another thread Id put Alli in his position, but we would certainly need attacking reinforcements.

    All things being equal we really need CM and FB upgrades. And Id like something fresh in attack.
     
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  3. yiddo37

    yiddo37 John Gorman

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    Assuming Eriksen and Toby will go our 1 to 11 in a 4-2-3-1 could be:

    ----------------------Lloris-----------------
    Aurier---Sanchez--Verts---Rose
    ------------Sissoko---Dier--------------
    Moura------------Dele-------------Son
    ----------------------Kane------------------

    Keep Gazza(GK) Davies(LB/LCB), Foyth(RCB), KWP(RB), Winks(CM), Lamela(AM).

    If we get new 2 full backs then send KWP on loan and use Davies as centre back when JV is rested/injured. Send Skipp out on loan also.
    Get rid of Llorente, Vorm, Nkoudou, Wanyama, Trippier and probably Janssen who seems finished with us anyway although I'd keep for another year.
    Sign a CM and 2 attacking players and a forward. Think Chris Wood at Burnley may be worth a punt when Kane needs a rest. Maybe try to get Modric back for a 2 year spell if options are limited for CM.
     
  4. Mosquito_Coasting

    Mosquito_Coasting Gus Poyet

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    I just hope Poch gets to do what he wants but it seems very unlikely. I imagine him going into Levy's office and asking for all these things he needs and Levy nodding along but then failing to make them materialise because of the costs involved.
     
  5. Legohamster

    Legohamster Chris Armstrong

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    A job we should have started last summer - but I would:

    Bin off

    Llorente
    Vorm
    Trippier
    Rose or Davies - depending on an incoming
    Lamela
    Nkoudou
    Janssen
    Wanyama if can’t prove fitness
    Moura if he’s not played

    Loan
    KWP
    Skipp

    Potential players we don’t want to lose

    Christian
    Toby


    That’s a lot of work for 2 months when we are slow movers.
     
  6. MKSpur

    MKSpur Kasey Keller

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    Really disappointed I thought this thread was going to have an old scaletrix set or a board game with a couple of missing pieces for sale in it
     
  7. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    As I said in my post, theres no way that much will happen.

    Itll be a selection from the above.

    Every chance we end the summer with Rose, Davies, Trippier and Wanyama still on the books, for example.
     
  8. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Chris Armstrong

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    I completely understand the reasoning behind the last two transfer windows.

    The only problem it has created is a log jam of work to be done regarding the overhaul of the squad.

    The majority of our funds will (as before) have to come from sales, so we are in the same position just with an increasing amount of work to do. Hardly an organic approach.
     
  9. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    People talk about it as if its by choice.

    Seemed obvious to me these last couple of windows we just werent getting the offers for these players, which HAD to move to allow incomings.

    While I think it is possible we could do a huge amount of business, Id personally anticipate less than people seem to expect.

    The core team is good, its 3 players short of great, which isnt that dramatic.

    The rest is squad juggling and far less imperative.
     
  10. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Chris Armstrong

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    Poch and Levy have always been in agreement with their approach.

    The majority of funds are coming from sales. Poch can sell any player he desires, Levy has given him free reign.

    If you unferstand the financials, you'll understand where we are.
     
  11. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Chris Armstrong

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    It would be so much easier if this was Football Manager or a 7 day auction on eBay. :)

    'hes worth that, he cost that' jiggle jiggle jiggle new faces, fresh squad.....weekends work.

    And of course it is like that for the bottomless pit of money clubs. Two of which we're ahead of and one we're behind.

    Just not good enough is it.:rolleyes:
     
  12. StephenH

    StephenH Jack Jull

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    Vorm
    Wanyama
    NKoudou
    Janssen
    Llorente
    Lamela
    Trippier

    My for sale list.
     
  13. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Vedran Corluka

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    What I think will happen;

    Go;
    Vorm
    Aurier or Trippier
    Wanyama
    Llorente

    (I have a feeling Toby will stay ; Eriksen depends on who comes in for him)

    In;
    a RB
    Maybe a LB if an upgrade is available
    Random 3rd choice GK
    CM
    Young CF (or a kid if the potential is there)
    Skipp to be involved more too

    That's only two, maybe three, first team changes and a little trim of the squad.
     
  14. parklane1

    parklane1 Luka Modric

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    Sell.

    Trippier
    Rose
    Vorm
    Llorente
    Janssen
    Onomah
    N'Koudou

    And if Poch can sort out those who do not have the winning/winners meteorology those as well.
     
  15. Jon

    Jon Young-Pyo Lee

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    So, just to be clear then.... all the other sales you’ve sanctioned here are actually going to happen now and the actual Tottenham coaches won’t be deciding on them then? :D
     
  16. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Les Medley

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    People forget we have just had a World Cup year too so ALL transfers had issues for anyone playing
     
  17. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Steffen Iversen

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    Vorm - Contract up in the summer
    Trippier - Cant defend. Not quick enough to cover after going forward. Can't beat a man.
    Aurier - Unpredictable. Homophobe. Wife beater. Gives away penalties and loses the head.

    Alderweireld - Is leaving no doubt

    Davies - It's gotten to the stage where I think last season's good form was the blip not these seasons. He isn't quick enough to do the job we need on the left.

    Wanyama - His knees are fudged. He has never been the same player after the injury. Gone the same way as Palacious and Sandro. With his mobility and physical superiority over his opponent he is a championship level player

    Sissoko - Great this season but Pochettino has had to change the midfield just to accommodate him. He can't play in midfield two. So we always play a diamond or 3 across the midfield. Just to fit him in on the right of it. We have been at our best before with two in midfield in either a 4231 or 343. Sissoko can't play in these formations. Thats why we have seen neither or them this season.

    NKoudou - Get in the bin

    Moura - Remember when Bale left. Andros Townsend stepped up and was unstoppable for a month. Moura is the Brazilian Andros Townsend.
    Janssen - Swap him for Andy Booth
    Llorente - Contract up in the summer
     
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  18. greatwhitenorf

    greatwhitenorf Eidur Gudjohnsen

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    Initially, I was unhappy at the thought of Eriksen leaving. He can be sublime with his passes and free kick deliveries. But something isn't quite connecting for me. His delivery on corner kicks is barely acceptable and when was the last time he planted a free kick in the net in the manner James Ward-Prowse did at Southampton?

    Lately, he's been jogging nicely about the pitch but hardly representing a menace to oncoming traffic. Maybe he's tired - not the biggest or most athletic player. If he's dogging it in order to help us miss out on top four in order to speed his departure, it's hardly a commendable way to thank the club that has elevated him to his present level.

    So, if he's gotta go somewhere else to find fulfillment, I'm OK with that. Can Ward-Prowse do anything decent besides his free kicks? Because that's something we haven't had at Spurs for a while.

    Also, on the subject of Eriksen and general house cleaning - The Daily Flail say Spurs will back Pochettino this summer to buy up to five new players while accepting Alderweireld and Eriksen will leave. No quotes in the article, of course. And it's really just a bit of mischief, written by Sami Mokbel, a staff writer who came out of the toilet long ago to reveal his deep abiding love for Arsenal.

    They really are schitting cinder blocks when they have to resort to this.
     
  19. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Chris Armstrong

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    I have a reasonably similar view to you here. Although I would probably keep KWP and be tempted to sell both Trippier and Rose. I would also keep Sissoko as he is a good, versatile squad player. I've tried to add some values to some of the outs....

    Sell/release:
    Vorm (free),
    Trippier (25M),
    Wanyama (15M),
    Rose (30M),
    NKoudou (free),
    Janssen (10M),
    Llorente (free),

    Would be happy to sell for the right money:
    Aurier (25M),
    Lamela (30M),
    Moura (30M)
    KWP (10M)

    Would rather keep but expect will force moves:
    Alderweireld (25M),
    Eriksen (60M)
    (both reduced numbers due to contract situations

    Definitely should stay:
    Lloris
    Gazzaniga
    Sanchez
    Vertonghen
    Foyth
    Davies
    Dier
    Winks
    Sissoko
    Dele
    Son
    Kane

    Looking at the above we probably can't afford to lose any of those in the 'happy to sell for the right money' list if Eriksen and Alderweireld go. It would just be too much upheaval for the squad IMO as there are only 12 names in that list above and I don't see very much at all coming through from the youngsters at the moment. I think we need 4 in no matter what (2 full backs and 2 central midfielders) and 6 in if Eriksen and Alderweireld go.
     
  20. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    KWP has had a glorious opportunity to make his claim, and hasnt. Neither Trippier nor Aurier have cemented a place, and KWP just hasnt capitalised at all. Leaves me thinking he never will. Im not averse to him being in the squad, he could be a slow burn type player, but equally if we sold him today I do think his absence would go completely unnoticed.

    Needless to say I do not agree with your assessment of Sissoko, and would happily let him go - but that would need to be based upon a replacement coming in. As you say, we need bodies there already so cant afford to lose someone we have been using without a replacement.

    I do pose the question - is squad upheaval bad? In our case, Im not sure. Obviously there is a balance to be struck, but providing the core of the side remains Id be open to 5 or 6 ins (and outs). The sense right now is that things really need a refresh, and I dont think losing Trippier, Aurier, Wanyama, Rose (for example) ... would actually be disasterous in squad terms* or harmony terms.




    *assuming decent replacements are found.
     
  21. NaijaSpurs

    NaijaSpurs Nick Barmby

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    Excellent point mate, I agree with you 400%
     

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