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Son Heung-Min - Golden Boot Winner

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Denmark Spur, 28 Aug 2015.

  1. papaspur

    papaspur Steed Malbranque

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    And I say that as someone with a kit with Son's name on it. That's a lot of money for only three letters.
     
  2. braineclipse

    braineclipse Gary Stevens

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    Mostly agree. Though with GLC I think it's another one that's more about role and system. Does he all of a sudden take things more seriously when back in Spain?

    To bring it back to Son, I guess I agree somewhat that there's been criticism that's perhaps lacked nuance. I may have been guilty of that myself. I still think he's a level below Kane. However one describes Kane, world class, superstar, whatever. I think slightly different words should be used for Son.

    He's been exceptional though. Where he's truly excellent, finishing and assisting with either foot, running in behind and running at defenders with space to exploit he's up there with the very best of them.
     
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  3. elltrev

    elltrev Kasey Keller

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    As an aside, I was surprised to see that Lo Celso only has 1 goal and 1 assist in 16 La Liga and Champions League starts, all of them as an attacking midfielder. A very poor output by anyone's standards. I appreciate he's starting in a team that got to the CL semi-finals, but seeing these stats made me wonder if he isn't actually playing that well for them?
     
  4. harr1984

    harr1984 Pedro Mendes

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    You can’t use assists of an indicator as to whether someone is playing well or not. I’ve lost count of the number of players who get assists for a simple 5 yard pass to someone who shoots from range and scores. Or a player like Modric who does the majority of work leading up to a goal but someone else gets the actual assist. Or a player creating chances that are then squandered so no assist. It is not a great indicator of a players overall performance…..
     
  5. scaramanga

    scaramanga Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    You're talking about xGChain and/or xGBuildup. Lo Celso fares reasonably well in that sense when compared to a midfielder who doesn't create:
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    He holds up reasonably against the best:
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    Edit: Turns out Modric is no longer the best in this regard. Both players are absolutely beasted by Kimmich.
     
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  6. elltrev

    elltrev Kasey Keller

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    Yeah I hear what you're saying. I would normally respond to say that 16 starts is a decent enough sample size for the kind of randomness you describe to even out to some extent. But actually, more detailed stats show that isn't the case for Lo Celso! (At least in the league.) You're right that 1 assist seems to be underplaying his creativity, as his xA (expected assists) is much higher:

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  7. NorwegianSpursFan

    NorwegianSpursFan Allan Nielsen

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    But that is pretty much LoCelso in a nutshell isn’t it, promises alot, but in the end it just isn’t enough.
     
  8. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Paul Robinson

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    Son didn't make the shortlist :(

     
  9. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Cant argue with KDB, Salah or Trent, but Son has had a better season than Rice and Gallagher for sure. Foden may go on to become a better player than Son but he also only has 9 goals and 5 assists. I get he’s a different player but Son has more assists in a worse team with fewer goalscorers.
     
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  10. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    Depends when it was voted for I guess, he had a period mid season where he was a total liability.
     
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  11. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Paul Robinson

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    Yes, I was just about to post that I think this one is voted on very early in the year - something like Feb or March, so likely before his current purple patch.
     
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  12. Dicko

    Dicko Jonathan Woodgate

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    Why do that do that? It can't be that hard with today's technology to vote online/on an app and leave it until the end of the season!?
     
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  13. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Edgar Davids

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    They still use pigeons.
     
  14. Robbo

    Robbo Chris Perry

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    It's absurd. Like a movie critic leaving half way into the movie to write his review, or a chef serving a dish with only two thirds of the ingredients.
     
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  15. harr1984

    harr1984 Pedro Mendes

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    Son got voted Player of the Season for Spurs by the Spurs fans - that's all that matters to him....
     
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  16. metalgear

    metalgear Jack Jull

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    Let it stay that way. Pool and Emirates Marketing Project can pay megabucks for rice and Gallagher.... And Son stays with us.

    Sent from my SM-T865 using Fapatalk
     
  17. parklane1

    parklane1 Terry Dyson

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    Pigeon brains more like.
     
  18. Crab.C.Nesbitt

    Crab.C.Nesbitt Clive Wilson

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    They probably have pigeon penises too!
     
  19. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Chris Perry

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    To cast the votes?
     
  20. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Edgar Davids

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    Among other things.
     
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