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Rule changes in football

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Robbo, 5 Aug 2015.

  1. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Frederic Kanoute

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    If you are changing the rules to allow for VAR then you have to think VAR isn't worth it and if those rules make the game worse then na thanks.

    Ultimately for me VAR should be used like cricket which uses it for stone wall facts, so in comparison goal line tech and offsides

    Other than that anything that's open to interpretation leave to ref rather than send to another ref and wait 2 mins. That's the ultimate of stupidity.

    If you allow VAR to rule the game where do you draw the line on it? A game that's. 4 hours but you get the ultimate truth?

    The game wasn't that broken to begin with
     
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  2. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Dimitar Berbatov

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    SteveAWOL Dimitar Berbatov

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    2 wrongs don’t make a right but at least the ref was consistent!

     
  4. Robbo

    Robbo Johnny Morrison

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    The one they got was the worst - you can't have your arm in a more natural position than that. Straight down the side of the body, yet a cross straight at the arm is penalised.

    How on earth have we ended up in a world where this is a penalty? fudging imbeciles in charge of rule making.

    Ours too was ridiculous, of course.
     
  5. Jordinho

    Jordinho Taffy O'Callaghan Staff Member

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  6. Baleforce

    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    Yes

    No

    fudge off!
     
  7. milo

    milo Paul Miller Staff Member

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    Taking the field in an Arsenal shirt should be bringing the game into disrepute and punishable with a red card.
     
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  8. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Jimmy McCormick

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    1. Doesn't sound like a big deal, but if you perfected a corner that went out, and then comes back in play above the goal, the goal is basically obstructing the goalkeeper, and would make it a nightmare for them. No.
    2. This just helps out defensive long ball merchants doesn't it? No.
    3. VAR offsides certainly need changing. Yes, but how?
     
  9. jts1882

    jts1882 Vedran Corluka

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    I think 2 would be OK if you had to take it in 5 seconds. Put the ball down and kick it, but it would be terrible if they have time to send defenders forward. It would be more nonsense like that Stoke player with the towel.
     
  10. Baleforce

    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    It was funny today, but does the game suffer if we simplify the foul throw law, just make it two handed from behind the line?
     
  11. Jordinho

    Jordinho Taffy O'Callaghan Staff Member

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    The IFAB clarifies handball Law and confirms decision on concussion substitute trials

    Clarification of the handball Law and confirmation concerning the launch of concussion substitute trials were the main outcomes of the 135th Annual General Meeting (AGM) of The International Football Association Board (The IFAB), which was held today by videoconference.

    Various changes and clarifications to the Laws of the Game were agreed at the AGM, with a particular focus on Law 12 – Fouls and Misconduct.

    As the interpretation of handball incidents has not always been consistent due to incorrect applications of the Law, the members confirmed that not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence. In terms of the criterion of the hand/arm making a player’s body “unnaturally bigger”, it was confirmed that referees should continue to use their judgment in determining the validity of the hand/arm’s position in relation to the player’s movement in that specific situation.

    Following this clarification, it is a handball offence if a player:

    • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball;
    • touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or
    • scores in the opponents’ goal:
      • directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or
      • immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.
    Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence.

    Other clarifications were approved at the AGM for inclusion in the Laws of the Game 2021/22, including to Law 11 (the Law 12 definition for handball, whereby the arm ends at the bottom of the armpit, must be used when judging whether a player is in an offside position) and Law 12 (the offence of using a “trick” to circumvent the Law against the goalkeeper handling the ball from a deliberate kick from a team-mate will apply at goal kicks; the instigator will be cautioned).

    The members received an update on the early stages of the trials with concussion substitutes, approved at The IFAB Annual Business Meeting in 2020 (see The IFAB circular no. 21). The IFAB confirmed that the decision to launch the concussion substitute trials was based on the strong recommendation of the Concussion Expert Group which consists of leading medical and football experts who closely examined the applicability of best practice in other sports to football. There was also consultation with, and support from, key stakeholders and The IFAB’s Football and Technical Advisory Panels.

    The trials, which are currently expected to continue until August 2022, have already been introduced in international and domestic competitions around the world, with more competitions about to join or having shown an interest in participating.

    In the meantime, The IFAB and FIFA will continue to collect, analyse and discuss the football- and medical-related feedback and data that will inform any decisions about potential implementation in the Laws of the Game.
     
  12. Raziel

    Raziel Les Ferdinand

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    back to ref judgement, because that's worked out well in the past ..
     
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  13. Baleforce

    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    stupid move, in circles we go
     
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  14. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment John Lacy

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    Begs the question what should they have done different?

    No matter what the rules there will always be some controversy surrounding handball decisions.
     
  15. Baleforce

    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    there shouldn't be controversy over rules correctly applied, and laws shouldn't be changed in response to controversy

    it needs to be one of two things for me, either, all out, if it touches the arm, from shoulder down, its handball, in every case, everywhere on the pitch, or go back to it being down to intent, the old rule was pretty much perfect, it would have been easier to give all the refs a dictionary rather than faff around with it, consistency matters more than anything else, I'd rather a stupid rule applied all of the time than a smart rule applied only some of the time
     
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    Spur of the moment John Lacy

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    Referees are not perfect, any more than the rest of us, and never will be. So controversy will always be with us regardless.

    I'd rather go back to intent, hand-to-ball as opposed to ball-to-hand. I reckon VAR can sort out the majority of cases, but there will still always be controversy.
     
  17. Baleforce

    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    individually no, but there is a group of them now, with limitless video replay and multiple camera angles
     
  18. Jordinho

    Jordinho Taffy O'Callaghan Staff Member

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    Doesn't matter as long as they insist on having one guy in charge that can't be overruled.
     
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  19. Baleforce

    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    true, that needs to change
     
  20. Raziel

    Raziel Les Ferdinand

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    Here's the thing, all the idiots, pundits, etc. bitched about the Fulham decision, but guess what? everyone including the players knew it was a handball/no goal, no question (even Scotty was clear, under current rules, no goal).

    So because it's "not fair" we go back to some interpretation flimflam that means refs feel pressured and United/City/Pool get a statistically proven higher number of calls, because that's fair.
     

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