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Racism in football

Discussion in 'General Football' started by SteveAWOL, 24 Jul 2015.

  1. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    Spurs7891 Milija Aleksic

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    Exactly. It always happens in the West, including England. But the Western media never make a big issue out of it. Only when it happens in an enemy country like Russia, the Western media make a big issue out of it. Remember how the English media and the FA defended their racist captain Terry ? Or how West Ham fans used to racially abuse Mido ?
     
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    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    I have no idea never having been to Russia if that is true or not, but anyone who thinks there is not a racist problem in England are walking around with their eyes closed.
     
  4. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Ignoring the English media or incidents here for one moment. Do you think that there is widespread racism in Russian football?
     
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    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    @danroan: Zenit star Hulk, (said this week he saw racism at almost every game in Russia) mysteriously replaced by Smertin as 2018 WC draw assistant

    @TeleFootball: Fifa red-faced after Hulk pulls out of Russia 2018 World Cup draw.. a week after racism storm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/11760316/Fifa-left-red-faced-after-Hulk-pulls-out-of-Russia-2018-World-Cup-draw-less-than-a-week-after-racism-storm.html…

    @AP_Sports: Zenit St. Petersburg star striker Hulk says he encounters racism in "almost every game" in Russia http://apne.ws/1GvLT77 #FIFA
     
  6. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Paul Robinson

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    I see AVB is playing the corporate, political game for Russia now. Well he was always smart enough to do that most times. Remember how much he defended Terry after he "used racist language" against Ferdinand?
    I doubt he really believes all of what he says...
     
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    Raziel Steve Carr

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    Are you serious? monkey noise chants, throwing bananas, protests against black players ... all par for course
     
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    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I agree. I was just trying to find out what @Spurs7891 thinks because he is always very quick to dismiss stories like this.
     
  9. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    I can only assume Spurs7891 still thinks it's the 1970s if he really believes things are just as bad here in England o_O

    @guardian: Racism in Russia laid bare: more than 100 incidents in just two seasons | Alec Luhn http://trib.al/owod5gF
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    Russian MP's Obama with banana picture sparks racism debate | World news | The Guardian
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    Racism in Russian football: Zenit fans let side down - BBC News
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    A Zenit fan waves a banana (top right) at former Brazilian star Roberto Carlos
     
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    Spurs7891 Milija Aleksic

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    Racism is rife in English football with over 350 incidents from the Premier League to grassroots since 2012, investigation reveals
    • An investigation has revealed a widespread racism problem in England
    • Information from 24 police forces - only around half of the number in the country - reported over 350 incidents since 2012
    • Chelsea supporters have been involved in the highest number of incidents
    • Charity Show Racism The Red Card said racism is a societal problem
    By TOM WHITE, PRESS ASSOCIATION

    PUBLISHED: 00:55 GMT, 24 March 2015 | UPDATED: 14:03 GMT, 24 March 2015

    Racism is widespread in English football with police having to deal with hundreds of incidents from the top of the game right down to grassroots level, an investigation has revealed.

    It also revealed that Chelsea supporters have been involved in the highest number of reported racist incidents as they travelled to and from matches on trains.

    It follows the high-profile case of a black man who was prevented from boarding a train in Paris by Chelsea fans as they sang a racist song, with five of them due in court this week.

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    Chelsea supporters have been involved in the highest number of reported racist incidents

    The information, gathered from 24 police forces across the country, shows there have been over 350 incidents since 2012.

    But as that only accounts for around half the police forces in the country, the actual figure is likely to be much higher.

    The charity Show Racism The Red Card said the number of incidents shows that racism is a societal problem and it was particularly shocked by the number of incidents of racist abuse at children's matches.

    The British Transport Police said since 2012 it had dealt with 15 incidents of alleged racism involving Chelsea fans, the most of any club in the country.

    Manchester United were second with 10 incidents, followed by Leeds with 10, West Ham with eight, Arsenal with four and Portsmouth with four.

    A club spokesman for Chelsea said of the investigation: 'The club's position on discriminatory behaviour is clear and we work closely with relevant authorities on their investigations.'

    Greater Manchester Police reported 46 incidents, which included a man cleaning a toilet in a stadium being told 'that's a f****** black man's job, you f****** n*****' and a manager at a children's game being told 'I'll do you, I'm gonna wait for you outside, I'm going to do you, you f****** n*****'.

    The force also said that on two occasions a letter was written to a specific footballer containing racist abuse and during a game someone shouted 'what is this the United Nations, how many chinks and w*** do you need?'.

    Hertfordshire Police recorded 11 incidents of alleged racist abuse at children's football games, while Northamptonshire Police said that during a non-league game a man was spat at and racially abused before eventually having his leg broken in a strong challenge.

    Gavin Sutherland, campaign co-ordinator at Show Racism The Red Card, said: 'This data from police forces around the UK shows that although football clubs have taken strong action against people using racist language inside stadiums, racism is a real problem within society.

    'People who exhibit racist behaviours in 2015 are doing so, in the main, away from football grounds.

    'Especially worrying are the incidents of racist abuse at youth team football matches. People engaged in racist abuse at these venues know that they are more likely to get away with it, because of facilities, a lack of stewarding and security, but the impact on young people will be considerable.

    'Primarily, they are being exposed to racism, which in itself is frightening, but also it may influence their own behaviour.'

    Other incidents included Cleveland Police reporting repeated monkey sounds and gestures during a Middlesbrough v Blackburn game in November last year and Devon and Cornwall Police said a man was headbutted and racially abused during a non-league game.

    Surrey Police said a referee received racist insults during a kids' game and Essex police said a footballer refused to shake hands with a player from the opposite team before racially abusing him.

    Due to the fact that some police forces were unable to provide the information or did not reply to the request, Mr Sutherland said there would certainly be a greater number of cases.

    'These incidents, although shocking in themselves and how geographically widespread they are, will be just a part of the picture,' he said.

    'These are the incidents that have been reported. There will certainly be a greater number unreported and under-investigated.

    'Show Racism The Red Card has always stated that the reason racism manifests in football is that it is a societal problem.

    'The campaign works with young people and adults not just to educate against racism, but encourage the use and development of critical thinking skills to break down the misinformation that supports racist beliefs.'

    A club spokesman for Chelsea said of the investigation: 'The club's position on discriminatory behaviour is clear and we work closely with relevant authorities on their investigations.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...2012-investigation-reveals.html#ixzz3gw7tGLMo
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    As you can see from the above report, racism is just as bad in English football but the English media never reports it. So the Western media should look at their own backyard before trying to accuse other countries like Russia. The truth is racism exists in every country of the world. Frankly, the West doesn't care about racism problem in Russia. They are only trying to undermine the World Cup in Russia just like what they did to the 1980 Moscow Olympics.
     
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  11. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Paul Robinson

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    Spurs7891 Milija Aleksic

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    Must say, only the English are brave enough to racially abuse or bully someone in their own country. There was the Paris incident where the Chelsea fans stopped the black man from boarding the train. Now look at this Singapore incident where this Englishman is bullying a poor local guy all because he was wearing a t-shirt with the words "I'm Fuc king Special". :D

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    Cranky old Englishman causes scene on MRT after taking offence at someone's t-shirt; gets kicked out
    By Coconuts Singapore July 10, 2015 / 15:45 SGT
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    Despite the already agonising conditions of being packed like sardines on the MRT carriage, one crotchety old man decided to cause a scene when, for some reason, he took personal offence to someone wearing a T-shirt that says "I'm Fuc king Special".

    Perhaps he grew up in a cult that shuns bad words, or maybe a graphic tee touched him in the wrong places when he was little, but whatever the case, you can just see how enraged he is by the whole thing.

    Quite amazingly, the dude wearing the T-shirt managed to keep calm throughout and refused to engage with the crabby Englishman, who even threatened to beat him up.

    See the whole thing unfold in the footage captured by Nabilah Nasser, whouploaded it on her Facebook page.



    Things started to escalate when the bewilderingly offended old man wanted to lay his hands on the innocent dude, but luckily a fellow commuter (identified as Hanafie) stepped in and berated the man, demanding him to get out when the train reached Ang Mo Kio MRT station. Also, note their verbal exchange of "What's your problem" and "It's my problem" that went on a vicious loop.

    The whole altercation came to an end when several police officers and SMRT personnel asked him to step outside — and thats when the other commuters in the carriage finally found their balls and started yelling at him.

    Hanafie stepped outside as well, and probably explained the whole situation to the officers — kudos to you bromie for stepping up to the plate while others simply averted their gaze.

    As for the grouchy old man, nobody knows what happened to him. Maybe the police punished him by making him wear a T-shirt that says "I'm Fuc king Repulsive".

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    Very funny. He was very fortunate not to get beaten up ! Maybe he thought the British are still ruling Singapore ! Or maybe he has a daughter or wife with the name "Special". :p
     
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    glorygloryeze Paul Robinson

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    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    Brits abroad :(
     
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    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    @Spurs7891 ignore England for a moment (happy to pick it up again later) - do you think that there is a problem with racism in Russian football?
     
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    Spurs7891 Milija Aleksic

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    As I said, all the countries have racism problems.
     
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    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    Racism has clearly not been eliminated in any Western nation and lower level football / Chavski is rife with the scum of society but to try and say these incidents prove that racism is as acceptable here in England as it is in Russia seems a bit of a stretch.

    Well unless you can point me in the direction of some incidents that the British press have (as part of this Western conspiracy against Mother Russia) neglected to cover involving:

    Swastikas being unfurled during top level football matches?
    MPs for the ruling party making racist jokes about the US president for their followers on social media?
    Black Premier League footballers having bananas thrown at them?

    And, considering how little punishment is metered out to the racists at Russian top flight games, I can only imagine the number of incidents they must have at the lower levels which never get reported.

    Scale of racism in Cup host Russia a threat, report says | Daily Mail Online
     
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    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I agree. Do you think that it is particularly severe in Russia?
     
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    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    Lucky that silly old codger didn't try anything like that in Moscow or he'd probably have been beaten to death by Russian nationalists!

    FARE and Sova center published a monitoring report on the issues of racism and xenophobia in Russian football / March / 2015 / Reports and Analyses / Racism and xenophobia / SOVA
    Two dead as far-right football fans riot in Moscow | World news | The Guardian
     
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    glorygloryeze Paul Robinson

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    Let's be honest, as bad as racism seems in Russia it would not likely be highlighted by the British media as much as it is right now if it wasn't for the political FIFA games going on at present. If there was World Cup vote upcoming and Russia was a certain pro-England voter, the amount of articles highlighting "how racism is rife in Russian football" would likely be far less. Far FAR less
     

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