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Putin & Russia

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Rorschach, 25 Nov 2018.

  1. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Andy Thompson

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    Mr_B Niko Kranjcar

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    is Putin sick, does he have cancer/parkinsons etc, is this propaganda from "us"?
     
  3. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    It is nothing but conjecture at this point really. The evidence being presented is thin enough - the long tables, the interview where he was clutching the arm of his chair, and a vid where his hand started shaking. And supposedly one of the oligarchs has confirmed he has blood cancer, though they are not an unbiased source either. No one knows.
     
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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Aldo Alan Hutton

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    It's taken 3 months of children being killed, and numerous war crimes being committed for him to finally feel ashamed of his country.
     
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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    This or something like this has to happen or millions will starve.
     
  8. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    To be fair, he's probably just signed himself up for the next train to Novichok-ville
     
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    johnola Teemu Tainio

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    Yeah - we can’t wait for nations to starve just because of that roostersucker.
     
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    metalgear Jack Jull

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    India officially supporting Russia now.

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  11. Robbo

    Robbo Chris Perry

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    This thread will be "The WW3 thread" before long.
     
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    El Guepardo Christian Ziege

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    Its inevitable that it will happen. Sides are being formed. Talk of Russia striking back against countries who dare to support Ukraine. Talk of Russia wanting to move on after Ukraine to other countries. Economic crisis with food and fuel largely affected. Its likely that WW3 has already started its just that it hasn’t been labelled as such yet.
     
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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    metalgear Jack Jull

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    Military Escalation. Stray missile into Russian territory could have severe consequences.
    The US the main instigator without any responsibility or accountability....does Nato actually want this?

    I believe Russia will now want to hold out until winter to see what happens. if extreme weather conditions persist, it might lead to domestic unrest across Europe.

    Lol who knows maybe the US and Putin are independently hoping for a destabilised Europe to cement their superpower status.







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  15. scaramanga

    scaramanga Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...g-cowardice-ukraine-has-given-new-life-putin/

    I don't know what the fudge Hungary is still doing in the EU anyway. An institution with anything resembling morals or integrity would have kicked them out by now.
     
  16. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    The sooner we can use renewables for our energy needs the better. If we had a war-like footing to become energy independent within 18-24 months, we could probably do it. If we absolutely had to.

    Yet again the west has fueled war without being decisive and effective. We've increased the destruction and loss of life, and we're now in a similar position to Russia, in that we can't reverse our course. We can only put in more arms now to sustain a stalemate and more war. It is a horrendous situation. Rather than hit Russia with an economic war we'd win and was a logical plan, we've been sucked into a real war, while still paying Putin billions anyway. A fiasco that was sadly so predictable.
     
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    monkeybarry Chris Perry

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    It's almost as if a financial crisis just over a decade before followed by divisive self serving politics and rising inequality creates a platform for despots to use the situation to empower themselves for their tyrannical ways and get the backing of the people that lose out to economic and social models that don't serve them.

    Who knew......
     
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    monkeybarry Chris Perry

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    Literally to stop Russia having an easy central European outpost.

    Hungary is the perfect example of the good and bad of unfettered immigration and a country growing since the fall of communism.
    Hungary, certainly in its bigger cities, is very western. As are the generations since the fall of communism (think people 40/45 and under). However, enough of those no longer live in Hungary to keep the impact and influence of the older generations on Hungary.

    So whilst most Hungarians are very western looking, the ones that are resident/have political influence are still aligned to an ideology where "everyone had a job", "everyone had somewhere to live", "there was no poverty" (relative of course).
    It's easy to overlook the torture and the massacres and romantice the time.

    It creates a really interesting discussion re; the role and purpose of the EU and it's values too.
    Values wise, as you've raised, Hungary shouldn't be in the EU. But to do that would
    I. Turn "our" backs on the forward thinking Hungarians. (Hungary is a fascinating country - it's not dissimilar to Scotland in the brilliant things it's citizens has invented. And whilst it's considered a lesser nation now, let's not forget it's only just over a century since it was leader of the world's largest empire)
    II. Gives Hungary to Russia in a heartbeat and puts Russia bang in the middle of the EU. And almost certainly war.

    That, of course, brings a very interesting angle to the argument of many leavers re: the over politicisation of the EU and it's sphere of influence.
     
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    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    We could be energy independent in a few days, but it would mean reverting back to coal. Neo-liberalism also led us to cheaper Russian oil and gas than exploiting our own North Sea reserves. But I don't think that's the right path for obvious ecological reasons.

    I agree with the war footing though. We should accelerate offshore wind and solar (mandatory on every roof, except heritage ones) massively. And put an immediate ban on the sale of all new non-EVs. Try and get to where Norway and Uruguay are (basically 95% green energy) within 2-3 years.
     
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    scaramanga Mel Hopkins Staff Member

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    Some excellent points.

    I think a good balance would have been to make acceptable values in their legal and political system a prerequisite to membership.
     

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