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Putin & Russia

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Rorschach, 25 Nov 2018.

  1. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    I'll go out on a limb here and say that Ukraine will have retaken the Donbas before the end of June, and then will set their sights on Crimea.
     
  2. harr1984

    harr1984 Pedro Mendes

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    I’m sure this is a stupid question, but why do these countries go and publicly announce they want to join NATO or are in discussions with them, which in turn gets Russia to threaten them? Why not just apply for NATO membership without announcing it so the Russians don’t catch wind of it then when they become NATO members there is nothing Russia can do?

    Just like doing a transfer deal under the radar before the media finds out the story…..
     
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  3. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Jimmy Neighbour

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    Im not going to underplay the evilness of Putin here but is this war also an example of how much the nuclear threat is just that and now countries in the EU are looking and feeling more bullish? I mean the UK has put itself in the shop window for threats more than anyone now TBH, the Ukraine have publicly said we have been their biggest allies but the threats have not really been there to the level that even I would have thought at the start of this. I think, and maybe wrongly but the bungled attempt from Russia to take over the Ukraine which as been from the cake walk people were saying at the start has maybe shown them as weaker than we all thought?
     
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  4. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Because they are well-functioning democracies, so they need public consent?

    It's symbolic rather than practical anyway - they were already mostly integrated anyway.
     
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  5. ShipOfTheseus

    ShipOfTheseus Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    This.


    Not this. Article 5 is a rock solid guarantee. Joint exercises and standardised kit aren’t. Hence the UK pact as an interim measure until joining is formalised.
     
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    Robspur12 Paul Stalteri

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    Except if as expected the last thing happens, Putin will escalate pummelling key urban sites with more and more powerful missiles. It's going to be even more brutal and horrible sadly with very little of Ukraine left.
     
  7. Robbo

    Robbo Chris Perry

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    So according to Ukrainian intelligence, Putin is seriously ill, there are plans to overthrow him and the war will be over in August.

    If Carlsberg did world history...
     
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  8. ShipOfTheseus

    ShipOfTheseus Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    Fingers crossed. The Ukrainians have learned enough from Russian military doctrine to tell the occasional white lie, though.
     
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    scaramanga Fanny Walden Staff Member

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    Don't get your hopes up.

    Those that know far more about the situation than me are suggesting that any replacement is likely to be even worse than Putin.
     
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  10. Robbo

    Robbo Chris Perry

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    Yeah I read that with a big pinch of salt... Surely a bit of propaganda in it.

    Hopefully not... I fully expect Putin to be in power for the foreseeable future, though.
     
  11. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    There's a rumour about Parkinsons too.
     
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    Yiddo Steffen Iversen

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    That is ridiculous, how is a T.V talk show going to help?
     
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  13. Jordinho

    Jordinho Taffy O'Callaghan Staff Member

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    Jordinho Taffy O'Callaghan Staff Member

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    Time for NATO to bomb the brick out of Russia. Ukraine have a Eurovision final to host.
     
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    ShipOfTheseus Roman Pavlyuchenko

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    That would at least be a sensible reason for shelling Mariupol.
     
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    Jordinho Taffy O'Callaghan Staff Member

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    monkeybarry Paul Robinson

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    Open and transparent governance.
    That's a healthy democracy.
     
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    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    greatwhitenorf Jermaine Jenas

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    Why do you call it 'the' Ukraine'. It's just Ukraine.

    Same question to those who refer to North America's soccer league as 'The' MLS. It's not 'The' Major League Soccer any more than it's 'The' Major League Baseball.

    MLB. MLS. Ukraine. The Thank You.
     

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