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Politics, politics, politics

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by markysimmo, 26 May 2014.

  1. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    Lol
     
  2. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    Even at their best unreliable and rusting junk.

    None of them made a decent vehicle without foreign influence.
     
  3. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    Because he doesn't want to alienate customers as outlined previously, and the real decision makers in Japan made a decision. They'd been warning of it for long enough, even the Japanese PM got involved warning our PM. Why would the Japanese owners risk Brexit uncertainty and millions of losses when they could make the cars at home and export them to the EU; with 0% tariffs longer term. If you were in their shoes you'd make the same decision.

    There has been a change in global trade conditions. The main change has been the Japs don't need us to access the EU no more. Did Brexit play its part? Yes of course it did. We can put our heads in the sands or man up and see the reality unfolding before you.
     
  4. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    Ok I will jump on the bandwagon and blame Brexit even though the CEO and SVP today said otherwise.

    Choo Choo
     
  5. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    So a Japanese car manufacture pulling out at the time of leaving the EU is completely due to Brexit, but the entire British car industry crumbling a short time after joining the ECC is just a co-incidence?
     
  6. Rorschach

    Rorschach Erik Thorstvedt

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    Now you're getting it.
     
  7. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    Thanks this feels so much better....
     
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  8. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    I think its more a case of jumping off the bandwagon. Not believing everything people say, especially when they are making delicate announcements that they don't want to alienate customers. Then reach your own rational conclusions.

    Pre-Brexit people warned of the potential damage to the car industry. Now it has happened, albeit exacerbated by global slow down in China, Brexiteers want to bury their head in the sand and say it was just a weird coincidence the Nissan and Honda job losses occurred now on the eve of Brexit, after 35 successful years in the UK. Choo choo to you too. :)
     
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  9. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    I am rational, the global slow down in China, the slow down in sales in the EU and the advancement in need for E-cars play more of a part in all of this than Brexit, as I said pages back Honda have planned this for 6 years.

    The facts are if companies blame Brexit, its Brexits fault, if companies don't blame Brexit, Its Brexits fault, thats a bandwagon son because if a company comes out and lays it out to say Brexit is the major factor in leaving or closing I will accept it pal, you can't it seems.

    Anyway I am off to watch Liverpool suffer 2nd half.

    Shalom
     
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  10. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    The British car industry crumbled because we were not very good at making cheap and reliable cars at scale, as soon as a better product became available people bought it.
     
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  11. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    Hey no hard feelings. And I take your point. I don't believe it, but I am wholly biased as are you. In that we are unified :)
     
  12. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    We also never looked to the future and embraced the EV market which puts us back now years.
     
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    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    In its simplest terms if Brexit was a good thing we'd be discussing good news, new opportunities and positive things happening to the UK. That it is the opposite, with UK job losses, the pound 20% down and political turmoil, is the reality of Brexit sadly. It's not going to suddenly turn around either. I can not see anything on the horizon which says - yes this Brexit is exciting, offers something of value...otherwise we'd have heard about it.
     
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    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    Go with the flow man, you know it makes sense ( to some). ;)
     
  15. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Paul Walsh

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    Pipe down you we dont need talk like that.
     
  16. StephenH

    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    Poor designs, lack expertise in modern manufacturing and a total lack of investment.
    The models were dreadful and needed billions to sort it. Had FA to do with EEC. We just where clueless compared to the Germans. Even the French government realised this.
     
  17. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    I don’t think that’s fair, there hasn’t been a British run mass car producer for a long time, EV isn’t relevant to Noble, TVR or their ilk currently.
     
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    Seedy Ron Justin Edinburgh

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    EV was called a milk float back then.
     
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  19. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    It was fine until that dastardly Two Ton Ted showed up
     
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    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    Stone me we are still negotiating our exit from the EU, what do you expect? Once out we can concentrate on setting our own agenda and working on the strengths of the country.

    I'm personally looking forward to a blue passport...
     
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