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Politics, politics, politics part deux

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Dean Richards

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    Why?
     
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  2. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Dean Richards

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    Exactly!
     
  3. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Wilson Palacios

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    Is it a form of hypocrisy? In my opinion, no, it probably isn't. Here's why;

    I'd suggest that it's virtually impossible to call the true intent of an action such as this (or even to take much of an educated guess) without actually knowing the people involved, their personalities, motivations etc. My best guess however is that the children in this case simply wish to hold the same citizenship as their mother - and as I said earlier, entirely irrespective of any political considerations. I'm assuming that would be their first priority. That they are simply seeking to protect their family ties given that there is some possibility that brexit could interfere with their situation. And you know what? If my mother were German, I'd probably do the very same thing in such circumstances. And I wouldn't feel in the slightest bit hypocritical doing so.

    I can support this with a real-life, personal story highlighting the distinction I would make between a hypocritical and a non-hypocritical action: I would qualify for an Irish passport by descent. After the referendum result, more than one person suggested to me that I might want to take advantage of this. My answer to them was categoric. I have no living, close family in Ireland and so as much as I like the place (and I was there as recently as January), I would consider it highly hypocritical of myself to take up the passport purely with a view to securing the EU-related benefits of such.

    Can you see the difference between the two scenarios?
     
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  4. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Wilson Palacios

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    Not sure if serious, but see my response to @SpurMeUp above
     
  5. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Cecil Poynton

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    https://thefintechtimes.com/london-global-fintech-hub/

    James Murray, Director of Financial Services at Robert Walters said: “When spotlighting the UK’s leading fintech unicorns, the income growth they have achieved over the past twelve months is phenomenal – increasing from a combined £77.1m to £177.6m revenue. That’s a revenue growth of 130% in just one year!”


    Did not go to see Farage after all tonight, had to take my son out to Tennis, will be glad when he is driving in a couple of years. I am glad to know that at least I now help to fund his new party.
     
  6. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Cecil Poynton

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  7. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Dean Richards

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    Very serious question. And one that remains unanswered.
    You have made lots of hypotheses based on nothing more than conjecture. But you have not addressed your bias.
    Why are they more likely to choose EU nationality because of female parentage ahead of personal liberty?
     
  8. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Wilson Palacios

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    To enable them to reside in their mother's home country perhaps, a right that would presumably be removed from them as a result of brexit? I'd imagine in their situation, that would be my primary concern.

    Given that the marriage in question has apparently broken down, I would have thought there exists at least some possibility that the woman concerned might wish to return to live in her native country at some point. Why would any family in such a situation not act first and foremost to secure their options?
     
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  9. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    Fixated by mothers. Have you considered Freud?

    This is just one more of the Brexit negatives. Denying our young freedom and choice that we enjoyed. Farage and his wife had no problem moving nation, working, building a family across borders in Europe. Something a new generation won’t find so easy.

    Like or not, his kids show the folly of Brexit. Farage preaches to Leave the EU while his family seek to stay in it themselves. If you can’t see the irony then your bias is stronger than you’re able to admit.

    On the other hand, if there are no identifiable benefits to Brexit, that can be talked about, that stand up to scrutiny, how can people continue to back it in blind faith? The truth is starring us in the face, but we should look the other way?
     
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  10. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Wilson Palacios

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    What on earth are you talking about?

    My posts have been written in the context of the specific example we're discussing, in which it's the taking of...you guessed it...the mother's nationality that is the talking point. As I've pointed out previously, the example could easily be applied the opposite way. Except in this case, it isn't. But resorting to jibes like this says a lot for the strength of your argument.
     
  11. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    That you focus on this light quip, and not the issues, says a lot about the strength of your agreement.


    Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
  12. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Wilson Palacios

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    On the contrary. I ignored the 'issues' you raised because once again, you veered away from the specific point under discussion and attempted to take it back to the more general brexit question. It's your stock move when you don't have a decent answer, and I've pointed this out to you many times before.

    I answered your point about hypocrisy, and even used a personal example to illustrate it. Given your usual extremely high response rate, I took it as very telling that you did not offer a response to this post. What really shocked me though about your "light quip" was how easily you appear to have been led in this direction by the comments of another poster. I thought better of you than that.
     
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  13. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Chris Perry

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    It’s not personal to me. Brexit doesn’t make sense. That you can’t make sense of it either is all I’m trying to show. In which case let’s move forward and not damage our nation by backing it.

    Simple really.


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  14. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    Former Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe has announced she is set to return to politics - for the Brexit Party.

    Ms Widdecombe, 71, said she would still vote Conservative in the upcoming local elections but would stand as a candidate for Nigel Farage's new party in the European elections.

    She said she wanted to "fire a very loud warning shot across the bows" of the established parties.

    The former shadow home secretary has been retired since 2010.

    Writing in the Daily Express, Ms Widdecombe said the "last thing" she wanted was "a full-on return to the political fray" but she felt it necessary to re-affirm "the supremacy of the will of the people".

    She added: "What the Remain campaign failed to achieve by fear must not be achieved by fatigue."
     
  15. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    Bit rich this coming from this taco really

    Jeremy Corbyn has said he will not attend the state banquet at Buckingham Palace in honour of Donald Trump.

    The Labour leader argued it would be wrong to "roll out the red carpet" for the US president, whom he accused of using "racist and misogynist rhetoric".

    The US-UK relationship did not need "the pomp and ceremony" of June's state visit, he added.

    Prime Minister Theresa May promised Mr Trump the honour after he was elected in 2016.

    Commons Speaker John Bercow and Liberal Democrat leader Sir Vince Cable have already declined to attend the dinner.

    In a statement, Mr Corbyn said: "Theresa May should not be rolling out the red carpet for a state visit to honour a president who rips up vital international treaties, backs climate change denial and uses racist and misogynist rhetoric
     
  16. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Milija Aleksic

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    Corbyns worse than Trump - Jeez
     
  17. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    He said he'd be happy to meet with Trump, he just doesn't want to go to the state banquet. I can't say I'd want to sit there and watch Trump put tomato ketchup on his steak, why would anyone ruin a nice steak with tomato ketchup?
     
  18. Rorschach

    Rorschach Erik Thorstvedt

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    He's not in fairness.
     
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    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    I understand where corbyn is coming from, but it's a state visit fir the president, its not trump per se its the office of POTUS.
    Sometimes as a politician you need to see by the personality to the bigger picture.
     
  20. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Dean Richards

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    Surely it's actually a visit of the Politics, not just the person or the office.
    I'm not against him visiting, he won't be the most vile politician we've entertained. And we are now in an age when people are happy to protest and make their voices heard, it's great.

    As far as addressing the Commons goes. Let him. And let MPs choose if they want to show up and what stance they want to take.
    (Make Bercow be speaker for it too - I'd love to see him enforce Commons etiquette on Trump.)
     

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