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Politics, politics, politics part deux

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Eh? The poor sods are only on £80k. Private education for a couple of sprogs would swallow that easily.[/QUOTE]
    Isn't that what fiddled expenses are for?
     
  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Has Farage at any point suggested that UK residents should not be able to marry EU ones?
     
  3. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Paul Robinson

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    The point has evidently gone over your head. No one is suggesting people should not have different nationalities or passports. It’s simply the irony that his children choose to be part of the EU rather that Britain. Faced with the same essential question, in or out, they wanted the freedom to be European. The choice his kids had is a choice Farage seeks to deny us natives who don’t have eu lineage.

    I think it’s one of the reasons why the old support Brexit and the young remain. Being part of the EU people have freedom to be in any nation in Europe. The old have put down roots, the young are footloose and freedom to move unencumbered appeals.



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  4. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Bobby Mimms

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    I'd personally find it stranger in this day and age if the children had chosen not to hold the same passports as their mothers. There's nothing to see here.
     
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  5. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Vedran Corluka

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    I'm hoping you posted this in the 80s.
    Children in "this day and age" are far more likely to make an information based decision, not a gender based one.
    They have freedom of choice and expression, and chose the EU path.
     
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  6. StephenH

    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    Talking to someone in immigration recently they said “if a visitor arrives here and gives birth the baby automatically gets the nationality of the mum!”
     
  7. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Bobby Mimms

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    I actually intended no inference to gender in my post - though to continue the theme, it's an interesting 'sign of the times' that you interpreted my words in that way. I was more referring to the completely natural inclination of a child to take up the citizenship options bestowed on them by their parentage, particularly in this age where international marriages are far more commonplace than previously, and where their maternal families are likely to be living in EU nations (an assumption - I'm not privy to the details). I'd happily express the same sentiment with the genders reversed.

    My wider point though is that this has little or nothing to do with the choices of the children, and everything to do with the identity of their father.
     
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  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    What he said.

    Taking the mother's nationality is just what happens. I suspect the tendency for courts to award primary custody to mothers in the vast majority of divorce cases has a lot to do with it.
     
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  9. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Paul Robinson

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    I don’t disagree. If my old man was N Farage I’d probably want to be European too!

    @StephenH yes exactly. In the US if a pregnant lady ‘drops’ while visiting the kid gets a US passport.


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  10. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Bobby Mimms

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    Particularly if your mother was european. That's why there's absolutely nothing to this.
     
  11. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Vedran Corluka

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    Would have been easier to say "it's not a surprise the kids chose their mum because farage is a bellend".??!!

    There is one point in this post I'm very interested in - where do you think your assumption (perception?) that in international relationships, it's usually the female that is non British?
    Genuinely curious. Not trying set up a trolling or argument.
     
  12. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Vedran Corluka

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    That really is utter brick. Again you have rejected the notion that they made a choice for their own lives.
    They like saying, my dad is a taco so I'm never getting on a bus again.
     
  13. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Bobby Mimms

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    You have completely misinterpreted my post/s on so many levels...

    Firstly, in saying that this discussion has everything to do with the father's identity, I was referring to the motivation of remain-supporters in raising the entire (non) issue. You seem to think I was inferring something entirely different? It's been raised because it's Farage, and it's intended to somehow support the remain cause. But it's such a non-issue that (IMO) it only undermines the case of those who seek to make it.

    I'm honestly not sure where you are getting it from that 'I' assume that it would usually be the female who is non-british in an international relationship. I can say, again, with my hand on my heart that no such assumption exists, nor even entered my head. I can't therefore offer much for your curiosity in this matter, because it existed in your head before it did mine.

    ((Edit - ok, I think I see where you've taken that from now - if I'm correct, that was a reference on my part to Farage's children specifically, and my assumption that their maternal family are based in Germany.))

    I learned some time ago how easily words can sometimes be misinterpreted when expressed via text message/email, though this conversation is honestly taking my awareness of this problem to another level...
     
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    Parklaner81 Bobby Mimms

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    I reject nothing of the sort. I simply suggest that it strikes me as a natural and obvious choice to make where a person is born with parents of differing nationalities, without even considering the political situation.
     
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  15. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Paul Walsh

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    Well it is fate, Mr Farage is coming to my local town, shoreham by sea to do a talk tomorrow night at the airport.

    Chance to thank my hero for fighting the good fight on behalf of everyone who believes in democracy, him and Corbyn are the same in the sense they want to give local people a chance to have a voice.

    Also a chance to thank him for giving up his career in the city to take lower money on the political circuit, but his dedication and hard work and sacrifice has given people up and down the country a voice.

    I like his view of a self governing Britain, and as after the last election we saw the right in UKIP disappear, I believe the future of this country if we leave the EU is a decent mainstream centre ground future, if we don't leave then the Brexit party and UKIP will come back up and rightly so.

    Odd thing is this thread does not appear on the random side of the website when I am logged in but does when I am logged out. Only way I can find it is by looking through alerts, almost as if someone on here is trying to stop someone writing things they disagree with.

    Part of our democracy is that people are allowed a voice unless they are inciting violence or hatred. If I have at any time done that then I suggest you call the police or ban me. Or in fact even just man up and send a PM explaining it. But no I expect that sort of behaviour from remoaners, if you dont agree with someone who has a difference of opinion to you, then you either try to paint them as an extremist or stop their message.

    The country is getting wise to what you people are up to, and that is why you can never win in the long run, because you might like it and you might not like people who vote and think a different way to you, but we all deserve our say.
     
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    Danishfurniturelover Paul Walsh

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    Hey even the mafia dont go after the families.


    Should not each person be judged on their own merits. He has bought his children up to make their own mind, find that rather refreshing. I have told my own son he can think which ever way he wants politically but he has to think things through he has to use his own mind and not just follow what others think. If he ends up a big pro European, then I would be proud of him as long as he explains is reasons for doing so, he has thought them through and he shows respect for people who have different opinions.

    If anything it shows what a good parent Farage has been that his children grow up with their own independent views. It is not like they are going around calling people who want to leave racists. Racism is (rightly so) an illegal offence in this country, so if his children grow up to do that, like some members of this site then he might have reason to be ashamed, but otherwise I dont see anything but good from his children having the self confidence to go their own way.
     
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  17. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Paul Robinson

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    I don't think you see the point here. Its not that there is any criticism of Farrage. That he wants to be British and out of Europe and his kids want to be part of Europe is okay. Not a problem. They won't have the same rights in their fathers nation but so beit, that is a choice. The point is the choice Farage's kids have made will be denied to us, and British kids who don't have an EU mother. They won't be able to chose to live and work in Europe with the same freedom. Is it a form of hypocrisy? The privilege his family enjoys will be not available to most others if his wishes come true. Not a big point, but you seemed to have missed it.
     
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    90291Spur Pat van den Hauwe

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    DTA Neil Sullivan

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    Those that voted leave are obviously not ALL far right and Neither are ALL those that led the leave campaigns. But when JRM and Borris cosy up to Bannon and AFD then they should absolutely be called out, and any self respecting leave supporter should be calling them out as well.
     
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  20. 90291Spur

    90291Spur Pat van den Hauwe

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    Absolutely agree. On both points.
     

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