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Politics, politics, politics part deux

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Depends on the manifesto pledges, but probably no one.
     
  2. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    What kind of manifesto pledge would make you inclined to vote?

    (I'm just asking out of curiosity, not trying to trap you in an argument or anything).
     
  3. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Ha! All in good jest, I know.

    Not sure, to be honest. Id want a clear view on Brexit, for sure - a believable one at that. And Id want to see a clear view on domestic matters.

    Labour put forward some interesting ideas last time, but the math looked ridiculous to me and I am inherently against the idea of spending to get out of debt (yes, I know the point in spending on re-nationalisation - its all the other free money they think they can give that bothers me).

    The Tories were more honest in saying we needed to tighten our belts, I respected that and its what swung it for me at the time.

    Obviously Brexit is the big ticket, but Id like to see more than just "we can do a deal" to convince me to vote one way or the other.
     
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  4. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Luka Modric

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    Their all awful

    I regularly work in the same building as the Labour Party and it ranges from hipsters to a freak show at times

    I should add that I’m not pro conservative, in fact I’m not pro anyone as I think their all poor but I’ve had a close proximity to the Labour Party cos of work
     
  5. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Luka Modric

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    I will add that the only politician I’ve seen who really got economics happened to be Gordon Brown... he got everything right money wise

    Shame he sounded like he was made of cardboard but he really knew his stuff

    What seems to happen to me now in politics is the same as most things of a media driven nature... those who have charisma and can present seem smarter than those who lack those skills (Blair vs Brown for example)
     
  6. parklane1

    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    To be honest i think both partys are full of self serving arseholes and i can not remember a time where the options between both the major partys have been so poor.
     
  7. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    Not sure I agree on Brown to be honest -- I think 'light-touch' financial regulation was a big mistake, as was the expansion of PFI that began under the Tories. He is well regarded for handling the financial crisis itself though.
     
  8. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    Light touch was the only option at the time, although in hindsight its easy to see the red flags at the time the City was king and introducing new regulations was an easy way out of office. Very few people were concerned and the financial institutions had persuaded everyone of a new paradigm in finance. This is the reality of the matter, I am open to criticism on other matters but on this aspect there were no serious calls for more intrusive regulation.
     
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  9. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    That's fair enough. At the time, it could be argued that there were calls from the Tories in opposition for even less regulation re. finance.
     
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  10. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Luka Modric

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    Someone described it when we were in Madrid that it was like turkeys voting for Christmas and he is right In that their all as bad as each other and their remarkably similar in their mindsets and egos
     
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  11. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    So Brexit would be your main issue (that's what I'm reading from your post, correct me if I'm wrong.) Which is fair, it's the main issue for a lot (maybe most?) voters. What would you like to see re. Brexit?
     
  12. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Vedran Corluka

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    There's nothing better than opening a can of worms:D
     
  13. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Vedran Corluka

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    'Prudent Gordon?'..great period economically...saved eff all. Bloated the public sector, and quite clearly didn't end 'boom and bust'.
     
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  14. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    Tbh brown sums this country up, little fuss about raiding pensions for £5b a year but petitions and questions in the house when you take away their free TV.
    Anyone with any savvy could see the crash coming, the banks were giving credit to anyone at stupid unsustainable rates.
    And brown encouraged it.
     
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    P.D. Milija Aleksic

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    He was responsible for the massive pensions grab which led to a huge rise in property prices and the advent of buy to let's being snapped up everywhere as an alternative to pensions investment, something we still haven't recovered from.
     
  16. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Christian Ziege

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    Whoever wins the Tory election (Boris) will be relying on Labour to veto Brexit. 1. Promise Brexit to get in power 2. Rely on Labour so they don't have to deliver the impossile brexit promise 3. Hope they can navigate out the other side looking good.
     
  17. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    My main issue is "a plan", one that faces Brexit first but shows understanding of a life post Brexit as well.

    re. Brexit? Anything but BINO/Soft Brexit. Ideally all out - but to be honest just forgetting it all is better than BINO/Soft Brexit.
     
  18. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    That's hindsight - I was working in the city at the time and it wasn't being predicted until it crashed, either by insiders or the press at large. They honestly thought they had a new world with securitization basing all their figures on previous default rates without joining the dots that if you don't hold the debt, your not bothered who you lend to so there will probably be more defaults.

    Brown was implicit but so was every politician, if he went against the banks he would have been called a fool.

    at the time the common message was- They were on an unprecedented winning run and political control was not needed. - this was on both sides (and globally)
     
  19. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    I don't think the two are directly linked, it wasn't alternative of pensions that led ot buy to let it was the easy money being made and the laxness of lending. With or without the pension grab house prices would have shot up.
     
  20. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    It's not hindsight, we were offered a mortgage at 8 times our combined salary by a major bank. The mortgage advisor knew me and knew I would never take it as I'm way too cautious, but that was their policy at the time.
     

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