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Politics, politics, politics part deux

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. P.D.

    P.D. Milija Aleksic

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    Realistically him and Hanrooster are the only people who would probably build something in the long term that could possibly lead to a GE win but the others are just obsessed with Brexit so will only focus on that.

    Weird thing about Boris is that when he was mayor he was actually really popular in what is a mainly Labour city, managed to be fairly liberal and business friendly but ever since the referendum he's completely changed.
     
  2. wiziwig

    wiziwig Ronnie Rosenthal

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    I had an hour, so I thought I'd have a little fun and respond to @AuroRaman 's inane BuzzFeed piece which pushes that only the whites of christian heritage are inherently evil. I suspect you think much the same and think rich powerful Jews are incapable of such vengeful desires for the European pogroms and the mass killings during the second world war. All the evidence you need that they don't have vengeful desires are to be found in the kill ratio in their response to a terrorist attack on their nation.

    In reply to the rest of your post , long winded I know, but....

    I have been against military interventions in Muslim countries as far back as my school days, arguing against my history teacher's defence of the British intervention in the Suez ... My heart sank when the Gulf War 1 happened, likewise when the 911 and the subsequent invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in the early noughties ..
    In 2003 I had time off work due to a leg injury and during my recuperation, for the first time I sat at a computer to vent my feelings on the subject...I did this through my then AOL and ATT accounts, where there were a hive of activity on the political forums.. I opposed both the jingoists, and also the Liberals with their pitfall regime change arguments on humanitarian grounds. For my opposition on the forums, I received numerous death threats via my email. AOL could not trace who had sent them so I decided not to cause anymore more upset to the wife and stopped my postings - family comes first and all that. Although Geo-politics is the great unsolved puzzle, my views are instinctively and will always be against military interventions.

    I warned back then, of the repercussions of these regime changing adventures, some serious blowback in the shape of Muslim terrorism in Europe and that it would lead to mass migrations of people... I'm not the idiot that you and your mates on here think I am, perhaps an idiot, but not your idiot as I do understand the survival instinct the human species!

    "It should be the priority of every man to his ensure his living space is free from existential threats so that his woman can give birth to his offspring in safety." ....It's such a simple, obvious statement, but so profoundly important..

    I thought about writing much of the remaining part of my post, into the D Day Remembrance thread but then, I thought perhaps one or two of the usual suspects would see it as me tinkling on the thread...
    Auroman asked what I thought were a good question, regarding ancestry.

    Having spent many years in London's East End areas I got to know many English people who have had no problem tracing back their family history dating back generations, 19th century and earlier!... At the height of the British Empire, Queen Victoria times, many of these people's ancestors were still ravaged by poverty, lived in tenements, slept 10 to a room, shared family shoes, children only able to step outdoors barefooted when the warmer climes came.. Yet their ancestors, voluntarily enlisted in the Great War and then thereafter were forcibly conscripted as the body count rose and the queues to voluntarily enlist shortened. Their ancestors also fought in the Second World War, many did not return and survivors were maimed both physically and mentally for life.. I recall being told of one cheery old boy who lived at the end of my road who were always a stop and chat type and who would never complain about anything.. I learnt from another neighbour, how in one night he'd lost numerous numbers of family and extended family members due to the aerial bombing. Many of those East End people have similar stories of those lost and not returning..Local libraries and town halls in the East End have plaques with large lists honouring the fallen, perhaps the longest lists of anywhere around the country. These people were mostly good people and yes sure, some not so good, but in the main they were good people who had seen tough times. These people were loyal to their country and they did not want much in return but a job, an apprenticeship for their teenage children, and for their communities to stay in tact with affordable housing so that they could see their children's children living locally...That's all gone now and their areas are now of Middle East appearance, with a sprinkling of gentefried professional hipster. Those old people are largely gone now but of those that remain, have feelings of betrayal, their communities gone. They see it as their country is no longer their country and that they were never asked.
    The problem as I see it, is that the Leftists seem to only view it from the viewpoint of the migrants and see any unease of the natives as nothing but inherently evil.

    I'm now warning of the dire consequences of the swift demographic changes. There is little assimilation with mass swift change, there is only balkanisation and resentment. IMO this has lead to a less European centric traditional and fair society, leading to authoritarian larger government, something our leaders are quite happy to oversee.

    Finally in reply to your; "what the fudge is the 'white race' anyway"?

    Your disdain for whites who do not share your leftist world view is evident....You come across as someone who's uncomfortable with whites being the majority in countries that they can call their own. Perhaps, like another poster who regularly posts on this forum, you want whites wiped out?
     
  3. wiziwig

    wiziwig Ronnie Rosenthal

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    You start all your posts in reply to me with a personal put down, where I have never been anything but civil towards you... You're a moderator and you also allow your fellow lefty mates on here to abuse me and you do nothing, in fact there has been numerous instances where you have launched your tirades against me whilst side stepping their personal insults ...Apparently, if we are to be consistent, I can now call you a dozy cuunt, fudgewit whatever..

    Ashamed of what?

    I think you're a fantastic person, probably one of the best human beings on the planet but if I'm honest, I also find you a little creepy with your holier than thou condescending BS..

    There is no Jewish conspiracy but if you want to discount the possibility of some rich powerful Jews with a grudge against Europeans for the pogroms and the mass murder of Jews during World War 2, then fine ... George Soros was once vilified by the left for his currency trading, now he's a hero for standing up to the fascist faaar riiight Orban government in Hungry, yeah okay smh.....

    You leftists continually bring up the takeover of Germany by the Nazis, but continually omit the contributions of the communists who were going around breaking up political gatherings of democrats (sounds familiar?), who looking for answers to the problems the country faced. Hundreds were murdered by the communists and there were a backlash and the German elites and much of the population lumped their future on the Fascists rather than see their country go the same way as Russia.

    Leftists keep on doing what they do, bricking on the concerns of the people who do not share their viewpoint..Europe is going through a Weimar Republic re-run, let's hope it doesn't end the same way!
     
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  4. wiziwig

    wiziwig Ronnie Rosenthal

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    What Conspiracy theories have I put forward that has so triggered you, I'm at a loss as you're?... If you mean, my pointing out that the EU is out to destroy the diversity of the national state - well, the evidence is out there if you look , there's nothing covert about it!

    You write that there's a problem in the muslim communities.. I say it's an imported problem and it's a mass imported problem across Western Europe and yet to speak out against importing more Muslims into Europe you're labelled as a far right fascist Nazi...Perhaps Viktor Orban is onto something?

    How many years down the line or you don't foresee any problems, is the great multi-cultural experiment going according to plan?... Are you sitting comfortably holding onto your so called Liberal values with a fast growing Muslim population whilst there's also decline of non Muslims? Do you see the Liberalisation of their religion, an enlightenment occurring, where they will all get along and there will be no future struggles within their communities as there already is in the countries they have come from? You think that all will be well between Muslims and the crowd you look down on in your sneering Emily Thornberry manner.. The struggle between Liberalism and Muslims is beginning to rear it's head and I think soon enough, there will be Muslim political parties here in the UK as there already are, in Belgium, Netherlands and France.. Labour under a Corbyn leadership will do it's best to avoid it all by pandering to the Muslim vote but will only succeed in delaying the inevitability.

    I would also suggest you do some research on the prison populations of Western European countries.. It may be difficult in finding recent factual evidence based on ethnicity and religion as this seems to have all been stopped by Leftist Europhiles.. But if you look at records from just a few years ago, you will find that Muslims are incarcerated at a vastly disproportionate rate to their population size. In France, the Muslim population is now nudging 10% but was making up 50% of the total prison numbers from five years back..

    Why not ask yourself how something like the rape crimes could be carried on for decades and it be known to care services, police and labour councillors...Why not ask yourself why the elderly MP Ann Cryer who had served the Labour Party for most of her life, retired with accusations of racism ringing in her ears for speaking out. Sarah Champion, another Labour MP was immediately sacked from her frontbench ministerial position by Jeremy Corbyn, for stating that there was a problems within the Pakistani community in Rotherham. The unpalatable Nick Griffin made noises about twenty years ago but his comments were dismissed because, he were a racist. It were only when The Times journalist Andrew Norfolk did his own investigations that the size of these heinous crimes were exposed...Meanwhile Labour MP Naz Shah is telling everyone to shut up for the sake of diversity and the defenders of the working classes say nothing in the House of Commons!

    You ask why is it a race issue and you state that whites are doing the same, you even throw in the irrelevant Tommy Robinson angle to push forward your point.

    It's a race issue for the Muslim rapist gangs as their victims are white girls. White rapists are not targeting Muslim or Asian girls for rape..When trying to understand why the mass raping and abuse of young white girls, and it has to be said, also Sikh girls by these organised gangs, you have to understand, that whilst most Muslims are law abiding, there are many men from, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh who follow the Deobandi strand of Islam... Historically this strand of Islam sees non-Muslims, especially the British for their past colonial rule in their countries, as the lesser and sub-human. These girls were targeted specifically because they were not Asian Muslims.

    I can assure you Brexit will not be the death of the nation and if anyone feels that badly about it, should it happen, one about can always migrate?

    Anyway I'm soon out of here until the new season starts unless some serious brick goes down, that's if I'm not banned. May drop a conspiracy video or two in here, we see :cool: ....You and your pals will be happy I'm sure and maybe in my absence, that Gilzean guy will calm the fuuck down, although somehow I doubt it..Imagine going through life, being the pliable zealous willing footsoldier of massive corporations and all the while believing you are an anti fascist freedom fighter.. I don't know :rolleyes:..
     
  5. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Time will tell.

    Im still of the mind that no deal and no brexit are better than BINO so he might not be all bad ;)

    Though to be honest I dont think he has the stones to see that line of action through.

    And Im still living in the expectation he doesnt get that far anyway.
     
  6. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Vedran Corluka

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    Unfortunately a big group of people GB.
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Vedran Corluka

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    Didn't she have a vote of no confidence, which she won then the rules said you can't have another one for 12 or 24 months or something along those lines or am I mis-remembering?

    (Not that I'm trying to remember any of it:))
     
  8. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    12 months, I believe.
     
  9. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    There are two things being confused

    - There's a Conservative MPs vote of no confidence in their PM (like May faced)
    - And there's a vote of no confidence by parliament in the government. Labour have forced these, but no Conservative went over against May. This is what I meant by there'd only need to be 20 or so Tories needed to topple a PM gone rogue. I'm not sure it's necessarily fatal (for the party) either. The party could try and form another government within the same parliament, if they got enough support.
     
  10. Rorschach

    Rorschach Erik Thorstvedt

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    Johnson is an opportunist and this may be his one and only chance to snag the PM job. It is amazing it has come to this to be honest. It is a damning indictment of the UK political class. But while he comes across as a bit of buffoon, a lot if it put on I know, he must see that this job at this time almost has no upside. If he brings the UK to no deal then besides the economic fall out it may also precipitate the break up of the UK, and that is what he will be known for henceforth. I don't see him having the courage to do this. The no deal card he is playing now is a bluff and if he gets in I think he'll change his tune, and will have no qualms about it. He needs someone to blame, that's his MO, but will not take the responsibility on himself. That is my guess anyway.
     
  11. DTA

    DTA Steed Malbranque

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    You see up to the bolded bit, you actually came out with some interesting stuff... I almost forgot that you are a fascist.

    My question stands so please answer, what is the white race?

    Where do you as a Greek stand in terms of whiteness?

    My cousin done a DNA test and it turns out that I'm at least a third Greek? Does that mean that I'm a third white? Or has the rest of my DNA wiped out the whiteness?

    Northern Europeans are more fair skinned than Greeks? Are Greeks less white? Is there levels to whiteness? Are blue eyes and blonde hair the ultimate expression of whiteness? Does that mean that there are superior whites?

    Why are Jewish people not white while Greeks are? When almost all that I have met are more fair skinned than Greeks?

    I Tan quite easily, does that mean that I am less white in the summer?

    The people of this aisle have been mixed through thousands of years... What does that mean?

    Did the 'white race' come from different ancestors to 'other races' what are the other races?

    So again... What is the white race?
     
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    Gilzeantoscore Young-Pyo Lee

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    No, no, no! it's not an indictment of the political class....it's an indictment of the Tory Party. This will be owned BY them!
     
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    Gilzeantoscore Young-Pyo Lee

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    Wiziwig, please don't complain about people's reactions to you. You are able to post here and I'm fine with that, despite plenty of others probably wanting you banned. That is democracy. You get to post your extremist nut job beliefs and sensible people get to poke fun at you.
     
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    Gilzeantoscore Young-Pyo Lee

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    Ha, ha, just noticed the term 'living space' My, my Wiziwig, we have been reading our copy of Mein Kampf carefully haven't we?
     
  15. Rorschach

    Rorschach Erik Thorstvedt

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    The political inbreeding is most severe there, for sure, but across the board I don't see much leadership.
     
  16. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Dean Richards

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    Not even 20 anymore.
    647 (commons minus sinn Fein) - 323 (Tory plus dup) leaves 320.
    If everyone voted like that, you only need 2.
    There would be a few odd votes and abstinations.

    I do wonder if labour are waiting for a new mp, call out the mess that the Tory leadership campaign will be and then call a commons vote. (If they just last a couple of weeks without a verbal hate crime of course)
     
  17. AuroRaman

    AuroRaman Young-Pyo Lee

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    fudge me. I’ve got this dude on ignore but thanks for highlighting that my post to Scara apparently showcases my belief that white Christians are a danger.

    I really wouldn’t bother mate. I ended up putting him on ignore not because I found him offensive but because he bangs on a rather weird, sinister drum that I can’t be arsed with and other posters regularly take the tinkle out of him for.


    Sitting on my porcelain throne using Tapatalk
     
  18. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    I'm no fan of Johnson but this is the kind of long overdue changes that cannot be ignored.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579

    That would represent £500 per month out of people's tax bills, or £250 if he balances it partly by realigning NI. What concerns me is that he's the only candidate making such sensible suggestions.
     
  19. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Christian Ziege

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    @wiziwig how do you feel about Brexit inadvertently creating a less white UK? The premis is we need some immigration - fruit don't pick itself - and if we can't have people coached in from Romania so easily, we'd get them from the areas that our current non-EU immigration comes from - Asia, Africa etc. EU workers, quite a lot of them get a coach home after the fruit picking season or after they have worked in the NHS for a decade.

    Interested in your thoughts as to whether you voted Brexit and if this outcome represents your views on Brexit given the above themes you raise.
     
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    SpurMeUp Christian Ziege

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    I can't figure out who's more likley to realise Brexit, Boris or Hunt. I have a feeling Boris might bafoon the whole thing once in office. Possibly using a 2nd refferendum to get out of it. Hunt might realise some shi11y compromise that leaves everyone worse off. Or would Boris stumble into a no deal exit by mistake/default?
     

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