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Paul Mitchell

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Gutter Boy, 7 Feb 2018.

  1. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    Is...

    Is that...

    A positive on Sissoko?

    :eek:
     
  2. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    A 27 year old with 3 EPL seasons under his belt isn't a potential rough diamond. That's a mid-table journeyman.
     
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  3. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I agree with you on the weaknesses in his game. I think that the most likely reason for signing him is that we wanted a more direct player, I don't know who else we considered or how much of a priority we thought it was. It does look like we still think it is a gap in the squad though, hence the signing of Moura (I can't say that I have ever watched him that closely but I have heard plenty of people say that he can also be prone to playing with his head down and running into blind alleys).
     
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    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Our model is based on finding value in the market and we do not have a record of signing mid-table journeymen. I assume that the terms of the deal were more favourable than reported and we thought that he offered something different and would be useful squad filler for a couple of seasons before being moved on at a profit or break even. Given inflation in fees since he signed, that could turn out to be the case.
     
  5. StephenH

    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    West Ham will come knocking now! Nailed on!
     
  6. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    West Ham, Stoke, Newcastle. Thankfully there's nearly always a sucker for our outcasts.
     
  7. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    If you want to look at expensive failures signings Emirates Marketing Project are your example not to follow, they just have 500m to spend for every 500m of failures.

    Chelsea this summer, what a shower they bought.

    I think generally as an overall club we have a decent record in the transfer market, I won't attribute it to anyone individually as I think like anything its a collective job, but if you want to even look at the buy low sell high method we have employed we are untouched
     
  8. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Definitely. It's the buy high method we generally fall on our arses.

    Our top 10 record signings lists was generally 9 flops (Soldado, Paulinho, Sissoko, Janssen, Bent, Bentley, Rebrov etc) + Modric. The likes of Sanchez, Moura and Aurier have now entered the list, so hopefully they will buck the trend
     
  9. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    Paulinho and Bent were effectively sold for profit were they not?
     
  10. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    You are being a little selective there, GB. These are a top 20 record signings

    Davinson Sánchez - 40,00 Mill. €
    Moussa Sissoko - 35,00 Mill. €
    Roberto Soldado - 30,00 Mill. €
    Érik Lamela - 30,00 Mill. €
    Heung-Min Son - 30,00 Mill. €
    Lucas Moura - 28,40 Mill. €
    Serge Aurier - 25,00 Mill. €
    Darren Bent - 24,75 Mill. €
    Vincent Janssen - 22,10 Mill. €
    David Bentley - 22,00 Mill. €
    Luka Modric - 21,00 Mill. €
    Paulinho - 19,73 Mill. €
    Mousa Dembélé - 19,00 Mill. €
    Sergiy Rebrov - 18,00 Mill. €
    Roman Pavlyuchenko - 17,40 Mill. €
    Robbie Keane - 16,70 Mill. €
    Jermain Defoe - 16,40 Mill. €
    Toby Alderweireld - 16,00 Mill. €
    Dimitar Berbatov - 15,70 Mill. €
    Fernando Llorente - 15,10 Mill. €
     
  11. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Roberto Soldado - 30,00 Mill. €
    Érik Lamela - 30,00 Mill. €
    Darren Bent - 24,75 Mill. €
    David Bentley - 22,00 Mill. €
    Luka Modric - 21,00 Mill. €
    Paulinho - 19,73 Mill. €
    Mousa Dembélé - 19,00 Mill. €
    Sergiy Rebrov - 18,00 Mill. €
    Roman Pavlyuchenko - 17,40 Mill. €
    Robbie Keane - 16,70 Mill. €

    This was the list in c.2014 though - where Modric was the only success out of 10. That was before Lamela and Dembele had big renaissances under Poch
     
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    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    I'd argue there is only 1 definite dud on that list, Bentley, the rest either made valuable contributions, moved on for a profit or its still too early to judge
     
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    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Going back four years and excluding anyone that went on the be good, seems a rather selective way of looking at it. Any clubs' list is going to look bad, if you only count the duds.
     
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    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    Berbatov not on that list in terms of his cost and success at the time?
     
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    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    But it was a big article/discussion point at that moment in time. Here are Spurs' 10 biggest signings and 9 of them were crap.
     
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    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    It seems unrelated to the point that you were making earlier and four years ago pre-dates Mitchell's time with us.
     
  17. Nifel

    Nifel Kevin Scott

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    5 great
    4(3) undecided
    3 OK
    8(9) flops

    Bentley, Sissoko, Rebrov stand out as total flops.
    Modric, Alderweireld, Son stand out as great signings.
     
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    Nifel Kevin Scott

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    Clearly Poch is pragmatic and works with the squad he has at his disposal.
     
  19. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    Refreshing in mondern football
     
  20. DeleHarry

    DeleHarry Jose Dominguez

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    Sissoko has been on our radar since his Toulouse days. I remember us being heavily linked with him and Capoue when they burst on the scene back then.
     

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