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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Southampton, Sun 5th Oct 2014 ***

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Tottenham Hotspur host Southampton at White Hart Lane on Sunday 5th October 2014 (KO 14:05) in the 7th round of 2014-15 Premier League matches.

Spurs come into the game in 8th place on 8 points with the Saints in 2nd place on 13 points. This will be the 183rd time the two teams have met each other with Spurs having won the last four straight Premier League matches.

Spurs and Southampton were two of England's top teams at the start of the 20th Century with the Saints reaching the 1900 & 1902 FA Cup Finals and Spurs going one better by winning the competition in 1901, thus becoming the only non-League club to achieve the feat since the formation of the Football League in 1888-89.

The first meeting between the clubs came in December 1893 and the friendly finished as a 1-0 win to Southampton, Four more friendlies were played over the next four years and the first competitive match was played in March 1897 with Southampton drawing their home Southern League fixture 1-1 and Spurs drawing their home fixture 2-2 a month later.

The clubs were regular opponents in both the Southern League and Western League until 1908, when Tottenham switched to become a Football League club. Those non-League encounters were usually hard fought affairs and Southampton had slightly the better of things overall.

The first FA Cup encounter between the clubs came in January 1902 with holders Spurs held 1-1 in the 1st Round (today's 3rd Round) at White Hart Lane. The replay was also drawn 2-2 and a second replay was held at Elm Park, Reading with Southampton winning 2-1. The Saints made it all the way to the Final that season before losing to Sheffield United in a replay.

Tottenham played Southampton four times during World War One in the London Combination and won three of those games to Southampton's one. The Spurs home games were played at Highbury and Homerton, as White Hart Lane had been taken-over by the army.

Southampton, who were founded in 1885 started-out as St. Mary’s Church Young Men’s Association and moved to The Dell in 1898, joined the newly-formed Football League Division Three in season 1920-21 and won promotion to Division Two at the first attempt. They remained in the Second Division for 31 consecutive seasons.

The first League meeting between Tottenham and Southampton came in September 1928 with Spurs drawing 1-1 at The Dell and winning 3-2 at White Hart Lane in January 1929.

The clubs played a further eight seasons in Division Two prior to World War Two and Spurs won 9 and drew 3 of the 18 games played during this period. Ten games were played during World War Two with Spurs winning five, Southampton winning two and three games drawn.

The first of three key player transfers from Southampton to Tottenham came in 1949 when right-back Alf Ramsey joined Spurs. The General would become a huge part of Spurs successive Second and First Division Championship winning teams in the early 1950's and play for England 32 times.

Tottenham and Southampton resumed their matches in Division Two in the four seasons after World War Two before Spurs won promotion to Division One for the 1950-51 season. There was also an FA Cup 6th Round match in January 1948 at the Dell which Spurs won 1-0.

Southampton won promotion to the First Division in season 1966-67 for the first time in their history and Spurs won both fixtures 5-3 at home and 1-0 away. The Saints kept their First Division status until season 1973-74.

The second key transfer came in January 1968 when Spurs bought Southampton centre forward Martin Chivers for a then British record fee of £125,000. Spurs striker Frank Saul moved in the opposite direction as part of the deal. Big Chiv took a while to find his form, partnering first Jimmy Greaves and later Alan Gilzean but once he came back from a broken leg, he became England's finest attacker in the early to mid-1970's.

October 1968 saw the first Football League Cup match between the clubs and Spurs won the 5th Round match 1-0 at the Lane.

Tottenham were relegated for season 1977-78 and both Second Division matches with Southampton ended as 0-0 draws, the latter giving both clubs promotion to the First Division, along with Champions Bolton Wanderers. The 28 games played in Division One from 1978-79 to 1991-92 resulted in 12 wins for Tottenham, 9 wins for Southampton and 7 draws. During this period, the clubs met twice in the FA Cup with a win apiece and once in the League Cup with a win for the Saints. There were also two games played in the Screen Sports Super Cup, a competition which took the place of European matches for English clubs which were banned.
Spurs won both of these games 2-1 at home and 3-1 away.

Both Tottenham Hotspur and Southampton were founder members of the Premier League in 1992-93, but the Saints were relegated at the end of the 2004-05 season. Spurs have the edge during these encounters with 14 wins to 10 with 5 matches drawn. The very first Premier League game for both clubs was a 0-0 draw on 15th August 1992 at The Dell. A fifth round FA Cup replay in March 1995 saw an amazing hat-trick by Ronnie Rosenthal to give Spurs a 6-2 win. Southampton won the last FA Cup meeting in January 2003 4-0 at St. Mary's Stadium, which had become the Saints new home in August 2001.

In May 2007, Spurs secured the services of the third key player from Southampton when Welsh left-sided player Gareth Bale was signed initially for £5,000,000 with an additional £2,000,000 paid in add-ons. Tottenham's Spanish attacking midfielder Iago Falque was loaned to the Saints, who won promotion back to the Premier League as runners-up in the 2011-12 Championship.

The Premier League match at St. Mary's Stadium in October 2012 resulted in a 2-1 win for Spurs. Gareth Bale opened the scoring after 15 minutes with Clint Dempsey adding a second for Spurs after 39 minutes. The Saints second half goal was scored by Jay Rodriguez. Gareth Bale scored the only goal in the game at White Hart Lane in May 2013.

The first game in charge of Spurs for Tim Sherwood came in December 2013 at Southampton and the Saints took a 13th minute lead through Adam Lallana but Emmanual Adebayor levelled in the 25th minute. Jos Hooiveld scored an own goal to put Spurs 2-1 up before Rickie Lambert equalised in the 59th minute. The winning goal for Tottenham came from Adebayor five minutes later.

Jay Rodriguez and Adam Lallana put the Saints two goals up within half an hour at White Hart Lane in March 2014 but Christian Eriksen goals either side of halftime and a Gylfi Sigurdsson late winner gave Spurs all three points and a second successive League Double over Southampton.

During the Summer of 2014, Tim Sherwood was sacked as Spurs manager and replaced with Mauricio Pochettino from Southampton.

Overall, Spurs have won 79, Southampton have won 58 and 45 of the 182 matches between the two clubs have been drawn.


Paul Allen
Gareth Bale
Lee Barnard
Dave Beasant

Joe Blake
Kevin Bond (Saints player, Spurs asst manager)
Tommy Cable
Martin Chivers
George Clawley
Peter Crouch
Ian Culverhouse
Calum Davenport

Alf Day
Ally dingdong
Kerry Dixon

dingdongie Dowsett
Jack Elkes
Harry Evans (Saints player, Spurs asst manager)
Iago Falque
Tommy Forecast

Alex Glen
John Gorman (Spurs player, asst manager at both clubs)
Alf Hawley
Glenn Hoddle (Spurs player, manager at both clubs)
John Hollowbread
David Howells
Doug Hunt
Philip Ifil
Ernie Jones
Joe Jordan (Saints player, Spurs coach)
John Joyce
Kasey Keller
John McConnachie
Frank Osborne
Tomáš Pekhart

Mauricio Pochettino (manager with both clubs)
Alf Ramsey
Grzegorz Rasiak
Harry Redknapp (manager with both clubs)
Jamie Redknapp
Matt Reilly
Ron Reynolds (also Saints scout)
Dean Richards
Graham Roberts

dingdong Rowley
Neil Ruddock
John Sainty (Spurs player, Saints coach)
Frank Saul
Graeme Souness
(Spurs player, Saints manager)
Archie Turner
Wilf Waller

 
really looking forward to this one. the Saints are doing great after a huge summer of upheaval, some good signings and an attractive way of playing. most likely a score draw
 
Lloris....Naughton, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Rose....Capoue mason....Lamela, Chadli, Eriksen....Kane
 
really looking forward to this one. the Saints are doing great after a huge summer of upheaval, some good signings and an attractive way of playing. most likely a score draw

I think I'd take a draw now. They're a team brimming with confidence up against a previous manager.
 
Think we need a bit of stodge in the next two league games. I'd drop Eriksen and put Dembele in there.

------------------lloris
naughton---kaboul---vert----rose
---------capoue----mason
---lamela------------------dembele
-------------ade-----chadli

subs: vorm, fazio, dier, stambouli, eriksen, townsend, kane.
 
………………….…...Lloris
..Naugton…Kaboul..Verts…….Rose
………………Capoue…Stambouli
……Lamela……Eriksen….Chadli
……………………..Soldado

I know, I know, Soldado is pony, but i think he worked really hard last night and i think he's actually more likely to score playing with Lamela, Chadli and Eriksen than Ade is on current form.
Also, i like Stambouli from what i've seen. Mason has played well but for me he isn't starting 11 material yet.
COYS.
 
The truth is we're glad you left us
All through the summer
We didn't sell Morgan
Now your below us
You are an organ

Whats it like to be Tottenham
Whats is like to fire managers?
You hired lying ****ing retread no Plan B Argie
We hired Ronald Koeman, Ronald Koeman

Cheer up Pochettino,
Oh what can it mean,
To a sad Judas b*stard,
And a sh*t football team.

Give us a T, Give us an O, Give us an S, Give us an S, Give is an E , Give us an R... What you got......Mauricio, Mauricio

Hilarious thread. Especially the guy who thinks it's a really good idea to have everyone do 'the snake'. Hissing noises is exactly the thing you want to do at WHL.

Saintsweb: Spurs v Saints build-up - Judas Part 2

More bitterness and rewriting of history in this one: Should we have sacked Pochettino any way?
 
………….…...Lloris....................
..Naughton…Kaboul..Vert….Rose
…...…Capoue….....Mason.........
……Lamela……Dembele….Eriksen
……....……..Soldado........
 
………….…...Lloris....................
..Naughton…Kaboul..Vert….Rose
…...…Capoue….....Mason.........
……Lamela……Dembele….Eriksen
……....……..Soldado........

Seeing as Chadli and Eriksen wasn't involved yesterday it's highly likely they'll start, though I don't think Eriksen deserves to. Would rather see Kane in his place.
 
Seeing as Chadli and Eriksen wasn't involved yesterday it's highly likely they'll start, though I don't think Eriksen deserves to. Would rather see Kane in his place.

That team is what I would like to see, not what will happen. I'd like to see Dembele involved a bit further up the pitch but I think you are right Chadli will feature.
 
Please, please, whoever is going to this game give lots of loud chants of 'Oh When the Spurs' it really gets the Saints fans wound up! :D

I can't see how they can claim that the song is their's, simply on the basis that their club's nickname is the Saints.
 
Hilarious thread. Especially the guy who thinks it's a really good idea to have everyone do 'the snake'. Hissing noises is exactly the thing you want to do at WHL.

Saintsweb: Spurs v Saints build-up - Judas Part 2

More bitterness and rewriting of history in this one: Should we have sacked Pochettino any way?

Doesn't the hate they have for us come from the fact that we hired two of their managers in the last 12 years? Don't get how a manager deciding they wanted to leave to us can make them hate us so much.
 
People saying they would take a draw ! Im stunned at how low our expectations have fallen. We are at home against a team with a new manager, loads of new players, who lost 6 of their best players and who were tipped for relegation before the season started.

Yes they have started well, but lets put it into perspective. If we are taking draws against Southampton and actually losing at home to teams like West Brom then Jesus, we wont even finish top ten.
 
Agree with shaney, I'd be upset with a draw. I know they've had a good start, but they've not really played anyone yet.

Think this will be a good game, they'll come at us a bit full of confidence which could help us, we need an open game at the moment, we're not good enough to break teams down yet.
 
I so hope Kane plays on Sunday. ATM he is our best striker, and it will be a travesty if he isn't given a chance, assuming he's fit, etc.

Lloris....................
..Naughton…Kaboul..Verts….Rose
…...…Stambouli….....Mason.........
……Lamela……….Eriksen ....Chadli
……....……..Kane......

The front 6 to be fluid re positioning, especially the front 4.
 
People saying they would take a draw ! Im stunned at how low our expectations have fallen. We are at home against a team with a new manager, loads of new players, who lost 6 of their best players and who were tipped for relegation before the season started.

Well perhaps its going to take time for their manager to see what he's got, bed in the new players, get them playing to his system, get the best out of them, and a few transfer windows. Maybe their manager is frustrated and angry (again) and they are low in confidence. So maybe we are catching them at the right time. ;)
 
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