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Moussa Sissoko (the new Pirlo)

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 31 Aug 2016.

  1. papaspur

    papaspur Pascal Chimbonda

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    He should have helped build the new stadium to get it delivered on time... guess he's just lazy.
     
  2. spasm

    spasm Didier Zokora

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  3. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Chris Perry

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    Eh...wouldn't say his passing is great, myself. Don't get me wrong, I always thought he was unfairly picked on, and I love the guy for turning things around to the extent he's done, but I'm not particularly comfortable when he's looking forward for a pass. He seems like he has to make an active effort just to get it on target, never mind into dangerous areas or to players on the run. He can still play some great assists at times, but it's always 50:50 as to whether it finds a Spurs player or goes careening into no man's land.

    His great strength in an offensive sense is his dribbling - out on the wing, it's likely that the constrained spaces and his large frame meant that he could never really turn on the pace and do that strong, brusque shimmy past a marker the way he does in central midfield. But he's been a revelation at that this season.
     
  4. alekaras

    alekaras Jonathan Woodgate

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    That's just his style. Have you ever seen Emil Zatopek run? The guy looked like he we going to pass out any moment, but was the greatest long distance runner of his time.
     
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  5. harr1984

    harr1984 Steve Carr

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    I can see what Dubai is saying as a year ago I could never be confident in his passing. But Ive noticed a real difference in the last year, its more accurate,incisive and just all round more confident on the ball and I no longer get nervous with his passing or anything else when he's on the ball....
     
  6. P.D.

    P.D. Milija Aleksic

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    I think that's being unfair, how do you know Poch doesn't want to play this way. He said when he signed Sissoko that he wanted a player who could run from deep and break the lines, maybe he couldn't play like that because Sissoko wasn't showing the form he expected. Not saying this is a certainty but you need to look at it from both sides, Poch signed Sissoko because he had qualities that our team lacked so must have had a plan on how he wanted to use him and how it fitted into our style.
     
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    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    Poch decided it would be better for us to play loose, score less, concede more, cede meaningful possession and lose more games?
     
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  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    His worryingly low deep progressions figure tells us that those runs will often end up with either a backward pass or a loss of possession.

    As a measure, he has roughly half the deep progressions Dembele did, a player often criticised for not doing enough with the ball in a forward manner.
     
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    P.D. Milija Aleksic

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    I don't think we can blame Sissoko for that, yes he's not that creative on the ball but he offers something no one else in the squad does and was MOM or close to it in numerous games this season. We should be looking at the poor performances of other players who are far more at fault for many of those things than Sissoko.
     
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  10. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    And if you re read the post you originally quoted you will see its a case of actually yes, and no.
     
  11. alekaras

    alekaras Jonathan Woodgate

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    Is that per 90? Sauce?
     
  12. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    That's one narrative that can fit the events - that pretty much all of our players have under performed and Sissoko alone has been a bastion of quality amongst a pile of Spurs pigbrick.

    One that I think fits better is that we have a team set up to play a certain style of football, a style that requires all of our players from Lloris up to Kane to be comfortable and competent on the ball. A system where intelligent, measured but strong pressing is required all over the pitch. Where the player in the "Dembele role" has a high level of deep progression, a large number of defensive pressures and a very low number of turnovers. The "Dier/Wanyama role" requires a lot of pressures, tackles, interceptions, blocked passes, etc. They also need to be the player that picks the ball up from defence.

    I've posted the figures in the Eriksen thread, but suffice it to say that Sissoko is neither of those.
     
  13. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Per 90 - figures earlier in this thread or you can search either "Knutson sissoko" or "statsbomb sissoko"
     
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    P.D. Milija Aleksic

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    Is that not then a failure that Poch didn't get the players to play in that way, too many passes backwards, didn't press hard enough etc would either indicate that the team were unwilling to follow the managers orders (not likely with Poch) or unable to do so (more likely). If so then isn't it down to Poch to reconfigure the tactics and style of play to make the most of what we did have available which is what most of the best managers do.
     
  15. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    No, more a result of the fact that our style of play needs everyone to take part, it can't afford passengers.
     
  16. alekaras

    alekaras Jonathan Woodgate

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    Does it include his entire stint with Spurs, or just this season?
     
  17. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    This season. I only compare player's best seasons when possible
     
  18. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Chris Perry

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    Fair, but it still scares me. I would have been concerned for Emil Zapotek, too, had I ever seen him run. :p
     
  19. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Mitchell Thomas

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    You post the figures but your conclusion that our problems are down to a lack of quality from Sissoko and Sissoko alone makes a straw man conclusion. Dembele was a injured then left and was not replaced. The entire central midfield other than Sissoko was either injured (winks) or off form (Dier and Wanyama) or not playing well. Plus we had a right full back who could not recover his defensive positions quickly. Those are the reasons we had to adapt our play.
     
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    Robspur12 Mitchell Thomas

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    If Sissoko was genuinely that detrimental to the team though, I am sure Poch, a highly astute manager, would not continue playing him. He would put the kids in if he had to like he did with Mason and Bentaleb.
     

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