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Maanger Sack watch 18/19

Discussion in 'General Football' started by nayimfromthehalfwayline, 6 Aug 2018.

  1. StephenH

    StephenH Jack Jull

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    Oh no the Austrian Klopp.

    We will be able to have EPL manager gurning competitions now!
     
  2. Rorschach

    Rorschach Tommy Harmer

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    Shame he didn't
     
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  3. Jordinho

    Jordinho Clive Allen Staff Member

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  4. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    Saw Moyes was interested the other day. Stoke, the club that never evolves.

    I do find some pleasure in Rowett going as well. He happily shat on Derby because he would have had to work with a budget, jumped ship because he was onto that good stuff parachute payments, and promptly did absolutely fudge all.

    I quite liked him at Birmingham, and Derby, thought he was doing a good job - but the way he treated Derby was poor.

    And then of course rookie manager Lampard comes in and shows him how its done (so far!)
     
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  5. jts1882

    jts1882 Jermaine Jenas

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    I wonder if Derby fans know any German words.
     
  6. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    And the brick manager gravy train continues as BFS is heavily linked with the Stoke job
     
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  7. galeforce

    galeforce Garth Crooks

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    BFS is a very good manager imo
     
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  8. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    BFS is solid, if unspectacular. There is clearly a cap to what he can achieve, and very much like Moyes - I dont believe it is a budget limitation but a manager limitation.

    Seen Moyes linked the strongest. A report earlier distanced Allardyce.

    Makes me laugh though, Pulis leaves, and 5 years later Moyes will end up being their "future". Its like the club that time forgot.
     
  9. galeforce

    galeforce Garth Crooks

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    allardyce will get a club punching above its weight, that's success imo

    success for Stoke is being in the PL
     
  10. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    We arent talking the same thing here.

    "Success" is relative.

    Whether or not a manager has taken a club as far as IT can go is something else entirely.

    IMHO both Allardyce and Moyes effectively underachieved at past clubs.
     
  11. galeforce

    galeforce Garth Crooks

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    I don't agree with that for BFS, Everton maybe, but he was only a stopgap there

    Moyes was solid at Everton and overachieved with West Ham
     
  12. jts1882

    jts1882 Jermaine Jenas

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    Agreed. Two of the most successful managerial spells in the PL era were Allardyce at Bolton and Hughes at Blackburn. They had their teams in the top ten, pushing Europe. But they wanted more and allowed themselves to be tempted. I can see why they would want to see what they could do with more resources, but they could have stayed and become club legends. Another who excelled but wanted more was Curbishley. I couldn't tell you what division Charlton are in without looking it up.
     
  13. galeforce

    galeforce Garth Crooks

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    good point, I think it works both ways though, sometimes the clubs overreach
     
  14. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    BFS should have done more with Everton, arguably Sunderland, and Blackburn, definitely England ;):D

    Moyes was solid, and no more at Everton. Did well early on to build them up and weather a few storms, but by the time he left he was the thing holding them back - not a lack of resource or such. His tactics, his lack of ambition, the lack of evolution in the side. Had an Everton mate who at the time was delighted 'dithering Dave' went.

    Of the two I think Allardyce is the better manager, and has come much closer to genuine achievement with his sides than Moyes. Moyes reputation defies belief and doesnt stand any real scrutiny
     
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  15. Jordinho

    Jordinho Clive Allen Staff Member

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    Jokanovic has turned down Stoke.
     
  16. Lost Mango

    Lost Mango Gus Poyet

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    Still better then Hughes or Pardew though.
     
  17. MKSpur

    MKSpur Kasey Keller

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    BFS took Everton up the table to 8th, with an unbalanced team put together by Koeman and only had 6 months. Not sure Silva will better his finish spending money and having a full season and pre season. Blackburn were doing fine and then Keen went telling to stories to the owners and set the club into a downward spiral. Sunderland he kept up with less than a full season above their rivals and they were relegated under Moyes rock bottom the following year. Arguably Newcastle was his big chance but his (big) face didn’t fit and we now know what a dysfunctional club they are under Ashley.

    I know he has made himself unlikeable for other reasons but any club wanting to try and avoid relegation, in a fire fighting situation or in the longer term finish mid table in the prem without concerns over the style of football he’s your man. Anyone with loftier ambitions of taking a club into the top 6 playing tika taka need look elsewhere, although it’s been a long time since that has happened.
     
  18. nayenezgani

    nayenezgani Teemu Tainio

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    I hope Stoke stay down as long as possible, fudging toothless, rugby club clams.

    Rowett deserves to be managing in league one or two now too. Karma's a bitch.
     
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  19. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    Would you say Everton did as well as they could under him? Or that it was a very compromised stint, and that there was more in the tank? Id suggest the latter, hence my point they hit the managers peak and not the clubs.

    Its similar with other examples. Redknapp with us is one where I felt the same.

    Thats not to try and slag BFS off, I actually think he is alright. I just think there is a limitation to what he can do.

    Moyes I think is infinitely worse, and to be honest I did BFS a bit of a disservice lumping them together.
     
  20. Jordinho

    Jordinho Clive Allen Staff Member

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  21. Dicko

    Dicko Gudni Bergsson

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    Why not just wait and try to get Luton promoted and have that on your CV, Instead of going to Stoke and earning more money for 4 months before they sack you because you haven't magically got them back up challenging for promotion.
     

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