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Maanger Sack watch 18/19

Discussion in 'General Football' started by nayimfromthehalfwayline, 6 Aug 2018.

  1. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    Do you have a response then?

    I put much more value in an interesting conversation than some sort of internet "victory"
     
  2. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Gerry Armstrong

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    Thomas Frank for the work and way he runs Brentford would be a great appointment, young and well known for being an innovator, Potter is the favourite and from the work he done at the lowly club abroad you can see he can grow culture and unity something that a club like Brighton need in my opinion, emphasis on culture.

    Then you look at players like Maupay who would be a better step up played than signing duds from abroad, the money spent on that Romanian lad at Brighton in my opinion would have been better spent in the long run on young English talent. The lad at Huddersfield who came from Charlton would have been a good signing for them above what they purchased, Karlan Grant. Che Adams. Wingers like Bradley Dack, Olly McBurnie. The end of the day Brighton went on the continent and purchased a load of crap....simple as that because Houghton could not even bring himself to play them half the time either that or he didnt play to their strengths, either way he has to be questioned.

    Even now if Leeds don't go up they could take Bielsa and be a better club straight away in my opinion.
     
  3. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I know a few Brighton ST holders, they've been calling for him to go for a while.
     
  4. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    Feel for Hughton, seems to be the third or fourth time he’s been fired for leaving a club well above their station.
     
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  5. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Mitchell Thomas

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    Took over when Brighton were struggling in the Championship. Got them promoted albeit at the second time of asking, then kept them up twice and reached a cup semi final. Yes he didn't really have them attacking well but they were so well organised at the back. I don't see a great deal of quality in the squad.

    Not sure what else he could have done.
     
  6. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    They have the 6th highest net spend in the league since they came up, they have attacking players at the club they just don’t use them.

    I think the frustration was that when they attack teams they look like they can hurt them.

    He may have had enough as well.
     
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  7. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    It’s been growing since March, they scored 3 PL goals in 10 games to go with the winless run.

    11 points from 54

    It’s a just sacking.
     
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  8. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    Thanks, I appreciate that.

    Frank has done well, but I think there is a bit of a catch when recruiting from Brentford - the club runs a bit differently doesnt it? The manager is more a coach and part of a much larger set up, so I think its fair to question how well he would perform elsewhere. Smith has done well at Villa, but things didnt go so well for Warburton (and I really thought he was the next big thing...).

    Potter has done well with Swansea, they will be looking at promotion next season. Having put a year in and got the club running well I do wonder if he would just jump ship and start again somewhere that would take a hell of a lot of work to get into the shape he likes. Swansea really do (did) fit him like a glove, Brighton would be a much bigger job.

    And if they did get him, its a gamble, he has never operated at that level has he?

    Player wise some excellent shouts. I dont know if the money was off putting for them, cant imagine Brentford selling Maupay cheap for example.

    Actually, quite interesting - I was looking for links to Maupay to gauge price (Villa linked in Jan at £20m) and it turns out Brighton went in for him at the time he went to Brentford, him choosing Brentford as a preference due to playing style (even though it was a smaller contract)!

    https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-championship-s-final-promotion-a4139636.html

    Brighton paid £17m for that striker last summer, I dont think its unreasonable to suggest that decent Championship players would have been priced above that. There are some silly fees going on in Championship to Championship moves, let alone selling upwards.

    So yes, some excellent suggestions - but IMO none were guaranteed to even be doable and all present risk (some significant).

    As much as Brighton were struggling I still see Hughton as a safe pair of hands, and I really think he has earned some patience - to sack him off as they have I think is a massive gamble and one likely to backfire.

    They could well pull it out of the bag, time will tell, but right now it looks like a bad move to me.


    PS: All the talk of bad spending, it occurred to me to check if it was actually Hughton buying the players, found this:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...as-paid-price-mistakes-others-brightons-next/

    Those Brighton fans meanwhile who blamed the manager for “wasting money” ignored the fact that the club’s recruitment department, not Hughton, determined transfer policy. There is a strong case for saying Hughton has paid the price for mistakes made elsewhere in the club.

    If thats the case then it shines a very different light on the situation, doesnt it?

    The article finishes
    The upshot is that a manager who saved Brighton from dropping into League One has just been fired despite keeping them in the Premier League twice, while never once this season visiting 18th, 19th or 20th positions. Ashworth will need a stellar summer of buying and selling players if Hughton’s replacement is to stand any chance of making it a survival hat-trick.

    Which I think really captures my thoughts
     
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    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    That did come as a surprise to me, have they got Comolli in charge of their recruiting to have wasted so much money?!

     
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  10. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    Wolves, West Ham, Bournemouth, Fulham all spending big as well.

    Its what happens when you dont really have saleable assets but need to strengthen to survive.

    And the article I found yesterday says Hughton wasnt even the one doing the buying!
     
  11. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    The same pundits that spent the season criticising the way the Albion play are now criticising him being removed from the job.

    It’s coming out he lost the players with the style of play as well.
     
  12. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    I dont think they played good football. I dont think it was right to sack him. Not sure what your point is?
     
  13. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    Pulis set to go
    Tony Pulis is expected to leave Middlesbrough this week.

    Pulis, 61, has failed to sign a new deal with his current contract expiring this summer.

    There had been suggestions he had been offered a 12-month extension but that is now unlikely after Boro failed to make the Championship play-offs.
     
  14. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    They are hypercritical.
     
  15. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    Holding two different views is hypocrisy? Cant say I agree.

    Not appreciating their football doesnt automatically mean you should want the manager sacked.

    The two views above are not contradictory.
     
  16. Jordinho

    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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    49 goals in 46 should not get you an extension. That they were just 1 point off 6th says a lot about the lack of quality in the championship.
     
  17. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    There is a lot of quality in the Championship, it is a very competitive and entertaining league.

    Their 49 goals is anomalous to their position, the next team to score so few was 20th. They also only conceeded 41, joint best record in the league with Sheffield Utd (who scored 78).

    Basically Pulis Pulised the hell out of Boro. Dire defensive football with little intent to score and every intent to strangle the hell out of teams.

    And, of course, he did so demanding autonomy on signings and a fair budget to boot. And then bought in John Obi Mikel.
     
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    jts1882 Mitchell Thomas

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    So Pulis sets himself up for a return to the PL around November.
     
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    jts1882 Mitchell Thomas

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    West Brom want Chris Hughton talks over manager’s job after play-off exit

    Hopefully he gets something soon. Perhaps he can pass his old club on the way down next season. He can probably build his reputation further with a promotion than avoiding relegation.
     
  20. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    He will be able to walk into any Championship job in the country, had a proven (and very good) record at that level.

    WBA were fools to sack of Moore, and the new guy hasnt shown the nous for the job full time - Hughton would be a good move for them.
     
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