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Lucas Moura

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Denmark Spur, 31 Jan 2018.

  1. afsoc4life

    afsoc4life Dean Austin

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    There should be a video montage of how Moura kept dribbling the City midfield. When he got the ball, Moura turned into hunk of burning love mode. As the game grew, it was clear that City's midfield couldn't handle pace and skill on the ball. Very solid game by him.
     
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  2. NaijaSpurs

    NaijaSpurs Steffen Iversen

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    Lucas had a very good pre season and after yesterday he knows the standard he needs to maintain to keep his place in the starting line up. Fingers cross this could be his best ever season.
     
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    papaspur Neil Sullivan

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    Sometimes football is about small moments that lead up to a larger moment. Lethal counterattack where Son scored all started with Moura's flick-on straight into Bergwijn's path. Quick plays like this do opposition defenders no favors as Ake was out of position when squaring up to Son before he took the shot.
     
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  4. Hotspur75

    Hotspur75 Ryan Nelsen

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    He played very well again, has been playing well for almost a year now. I notice a lot of talk on tactics. Yesterday's game obviously suited him really nicely, but I have always believed Moura is just the right player to play in the middle when we face packed defences (so unlike yesterday). He is more unpredictable than any other attacking midfielder in the squad, I think he might blossom this year to such an extent that he will be a certain starter regardless of whom we play.


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  5. demotw

    demotw Carlo Cudicini

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    Wonder of the lack of Kane helps Moura. Kane comes deep leaving less space for Moura to drive into while Sonny stretches the defence when playing CF. Some of Moura's best games, city and of course Ajax has been played without Kane leading the line.
     
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    Juicebox Peter Taylor

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    LemonadeMoney Jimmy McCormick

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    Fantastic
     
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  8. Raziel

    Raziel Les Ferdinand

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    Lucas suffers a bit from what Sonny used to

    - A lot of people judged Son on his first season, and formed an opinion, he got better and better and people still saw that guy from the first season.
    - Lucas had a decent start, then his second real season coincided with our spiral and he had a less effective spell
    - For a lot of last season he was a very good player for us, it's continued.

    People should judge him on what he does right now, not what they remember from two years ago.
     
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  9. billyiddo

    billyiddo George Hunt Staff Member

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    Moura does now what he always has done - run in to space at speed and jink round defenders that are on the back foot. His future as a starter (much like Bergwijn) will depend on his end product over a season, how he performs vs teams that nullify our counter attacking game and how he links with team mates as part of an attacking unit rather than on an individual level.

    He played well on Sunday - but as with his performances last season it doesn't tell us anything we don't already know and the question marks to the above are still there.
     
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  10. Raziel

    Raziel Les Ferdinand

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    I think a few things have changed
    - He is better at pressing, stealing a ball (his acceleration catches players who sit on the ball), I don't recall that being part of his game
    - His passing has improved, awareness of where (usually Son) other players are
    - To above point, he doesn't hold on to the ball as much as he used to (just the act of sometimes releasing the ball quickly vs. always running with it makes him less predictable, more effective).

    To me the choice of playing him is simple
    - In cups and against lower level opposition, his directness is devastating, it just works
    - He has to either play in middle or be allowed to drift inside, if we want someone to play out wide, he tends to be less effective there (out of game)
     
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  11. billyiddo

    billyiddo George Hunt Staff Member

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    Pressing is a team tactic/something a unit does - players on an individual level close down and Moura has always done that in our colours iirc and it's up to Nuno to build the pressing tactic, should he choose to play that way with the players available.

    Moura is what I'd call a playground footballer, always chasing the ball and being direct with it once he has it - needs to show more as a team player on the ball to be a starter, he does seem quicker to play the pass over preseason and Sundays game so maybe a corner turned there?
     
  12. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Bert Bliss

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    He plays to instruction IMO and he has been told to do exactly that
    Same with son
    They are both players who excel at doing what they are told
     
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  13. billyiddo

    billyiddo George Hunt Staff Member

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    I don't agree on Moura being a player who excels at doing what he is told, maybe you have phrased that badly but he's only going to excell when playing a style that suits his game (like most players) so it's down to whether the managers tactics allow for a direct runner to be an effective cog or not
     
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    Bedfordspurs Bert Bliss

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    no I meant exactly what I said
    Players like him and son are instinctive but within a set pattern of play and rules
    Moura pre season has passed early and with very few touches. That’s not how he normally plays. Yesterday he ran at their midfield and did it centrally, rather than his normally favoured playing down the right. That was a plan and a tactic for him to do
    Son always worked well when given a task and a plan. When he was given free reign he (IMO) looked lost. He is instinctive with his finishing but needs the plan for how to play up to that point.
     
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    billyiddo George Hunt Staff Member

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    How do you know what's to a set plan and when it's a free reign?

    I mean Son is a very patchy player, long spells off form then prolonged purple patch - that doesn't scream excelling on instruction to me
     
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    Yiddo Frederic Kanoute

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    I love Lucas, he brings something no other player in the squad can bring.
     
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    braineclipse Jimmy Cantrell

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    Plan and tactics, but made possible because of the game conditions. In most games there won't be the space for him to do that.

    The big question for me is if we can find tactics/instructions that make him more effective when playing in different conditions, different phases of play. I'm not holding my breath. But his hard work, intensity, ability to beat a man and multiple men when I'm the right situation makes him a useful player either way. Good enough to start every week? Not so sure.

    A more narrow 4-3-3 might suit him well, the problem is that if the plan is to play a more defensive right back we need that right sided attacker to provide width. He can do that, but he's not very effective there when teams sit deeper.

    I struggle to see the tactical fix for it.
     
  18. Roland Beurre

    Roland Beurre Erik Edman

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    He's a bloody irritant to the opposition (and to the THFC fans too, sometimes). Long may the free rein reign even in the rain.
     
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    LutonSpurs Eric Dear

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    Nuno clearly wants players in the front 3 who can beat a man and create space. Less so in the middle 3. Moura fits this really well.
     
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    Rorschach Tony Galvin

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    I was about to make this exact point. It is very noticeable that he's moving the ball on quicker than he used to, and doing it more frequently. Nuno has been his ear about that I imagine and he's definitely taken that coaching on board.
     
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