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Kids don't win trophies

Spurs7891

Spurs7891

Jermaine Jenas
It has been proven yet again that you can't win trophies with inexperienced youngsters and managers ! We were the youngest squad in the league and did well to stay in the title race until last week. But in the end, our lack of experience made the difference as we couldn't handle the pressure and lost our composure and crucial points at crucial period. Despite not winning any major trophies before, Leicester had many experienced players like Huth and Vardy and that made the difference for them.

Similiarly, the English Premier League had been very cruel to young managers. Pochettino was always fighting against history to try to win the league as no young managers has ever won the PL before. Young managers like Kevin Keegan and Brendan Rogers came and tried but failed to win the league in the end. I am sure Pochettino is more wiser now on what is needed to win the league.

Hopefully, all the experience we gained from this season will help us in our CL and PL battle next season.
 
I think we definitely need more experience in midfield, especially a top class defensive midfielder who can calm us down and get us going when we badly need it ! Remember, it is going to be tough to handle both the CL and the league next season. We probably need 2 players in each position to stay in touch in both the competitons. With Dembele suspended for the first 4 matches next season, hopefully we can buy a few experienced midfielders in the pre-season.
 
Nothing to do with experience - we 'lost' the league in the beginning of the season when we were still finding our feet - since then we've more than matched Leicester
 
billyiddo said:
Nothing to do with experience - we 'lost' the league in the beginning of the season when we were still finding our feet - since then we've more than matched Leicester
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Alderweireld said there's been a mental shift this season. They've realized there aren't any better sides than us in the league and next season we'll be going for the title from the first game.
 
Spurs7891 said:
It has been proven yet again that you can't win trophies with inexperienced youngsters and managers ! We were the youngest squad in the league and did well to stay in the title race until last week. But in the end, our lack of experience made the difference as we couldn't handle the pressure and lost our composure and crucial points at crucial period. Despite not winning any major trophies before, Leicester had many experienced players like Huth and Vardy and that made the difference for them.
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Interesting how you ignore the fact that this youthful squad has performed better than the more experienced squads we have had over the past 52 years. So why did the more experienced squads underperform in comparison to this team. It is unfortunate that fans like you always seem to look for the negative in good things
 
Oh and...

Lloris - French International (Captain)
Walker - England International, previously won young player of the year
Rose - England International (albeit brief).
Verts and Alder - Dutch Internationals
Alli - England International (albeit brief) - young player of the year
Dier - England International (albeit brief) - played abroad
Eriksen - Danish International
Dembele - Dutch International
Lamela - Argentine International
Kane - England International, top scorer.
 
Well, it wouldn't hurt to have players who know how to manage the game, certainly. Does that knowledge come from experience? In most cases, yes, although not *universally* (some players are just intensely analytical and capable of game management from an early age - Phillip Lahm, for example). But someone who can see out tough games when we've only got a goal lead and the opposition are roaring at us, someone who can calm our lads down at times, and (importantly) someone who ensures that a kick out at one of our lads by an opposing player is met by a forearm smash to the face in an ambiguous, easily deniable moment (the real, skillful way to put the boot up someone in the modern game, given TV reviews and all that) would do wonders for our ability to win titles.

Christ knows where we'll find someone like that, though. They tend to either be players fairly limited in skill or technique (due to playing in sides which overly emphasize game management, i.e Pulisball sides) or, if they are that blend of technique and steel, tend to be be hideously expensive.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Well, it wouldn't hurt to have players who know how to manage the game, certainly. Does that knowledge come from experience? In most cases, yes, although not *universally* (some players are just intensely analytical and capable of game management from an early age - Phillip Lahm, for example). But someone who can see out tough games when we've only got a goal lead and the opposition are roaring at us, someone who can calm our lads down at times, and (importantly) someone who ensures that a kick out at one of our lads by an opposing player is met by a forearm smash to the face in an ambiguous, easily deniable moment (the real, skillful way to put the boot up someone in the modern game, given TV reviews and all that) would do wonders for our ability to win titles.

Christ knows where we'll find someone like that, though. They tend to either be players fairly limited in skill or technique (due to playing in sides which overly emphasize game management, i.e Pulisball sides) or, if they are that blend of technique and steel, tend to be be hideously expensive.
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That sounds a bit like lamela. Maybe we need a few more Argentineans
 
The problem was not experience but leadership. Verthongen and Dembele have loads of experience but they are not leaders. What we needed this year was an outfield player - preferably in central midfield - who could pick the team up when we were with our backs to wall and drag the youngsters over the finish line. He would probably have been critical to convert the draws against Ar5ena1 as well as Stoke, WBA and Chelscum into narrow wins.

Having said that, that type of player - a Robson or Keane type - would never have come to us last summer.

So rather than bemoan what we could have achieved why not celebrate that no-one in our wildest dreams would have imagine we would be one win away from second place with two games to go!
 
Spurs7891 said:
Leicester had many experienced players like Huth and Vardy and that made the difference for them.
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This is Vardy's 4th season as a professional footballer. The first of those was spent turning up at training drunk.

Alderweireld has won 7 trophies
Eriksen has won 5 trophies
Vertonghen has won 4 trophies
Lloris won a French Cup
Davies won a League Cup
Dembele won the Dutch League
Chadli won the Dutch Cup

Out of Leicester players that actually played
Huth started 6 games and 7 games the two season he "won" the premier league with them
And Okazaki won an asian cup with Japan.



Spurs7891 said:
Similiarly, the English Premier League had been very cruel to young managers.
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Pochettino is fudging 44!
Wenger was 48 when he won it, Ferguson 51, Dalglish 35 with Liverpool, 44 with Blackburn, Mourinho 42, Mancini 47, Ancellotti 51.
 
Rorschach said:
That sounds a bit like lamela. Maybe we need a few more Argentineans
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Can't say I didn't enjoy his little (typically Latin American) deniable step on Fabregas' tossing arm, but given that even yellow cards don't stop him from haring into one tackle after another like a crazed war rabbit (leading to us occasionally having to take him off to keep all eleven men on the field), I think a more *considered* head might be better. Still a bastard when the occasion calls for it, of course, but a *calculating* bastard. :)

I would ordinarily say that it should be someone like Poch, the 'Sheriff of Murphy'...but given that he himself got sent off thirteen times in his career, I think we'd need a different type of player.
 
Modric THFC said:
This is Vardy's 4th season as a professional footballer. The first of those was spent turning up at training drunk.

Alderweireld has won 7 trophies
Eriksen has won 5 trophies
Vertonghen has won 4 trophies
Lloris won a French Cup
Davies won a League Cup
Dembele won the Dutch League
Chadli won the Dutch Cup

Out of Leicester players that actually played
Huth started 6 games and 7 games the two season he "won" the premier league with them
And Okazaki won an asian cup with Japan.





Pochettino is fudgeing 44!
Wenger was 48 when he won it, Ferguson 51, Dalglish 35 with Liverpool, 44 with Blackburn, Mourinho 42, Mancini 47, Ancellotti 51.
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But the difference is, Wenger, Ferguson, Dalglish(Blackburn), Mourinho, Mancini and Ancellotti had experience of winning major trophies including league titles before in their managerial career. Pellegrini was the first manager to win the PL in 2014 without having any major trophies in his career before but that was because he was facing another inexperienced manager in Brendan Rogers. Similiarly Ranieri had no major trophies in his career before this season but he was against the inexperienced Pochettino.
 
Maltese Falcon said:
The problem was not experience but leadership. Verthongen and Dembele have loads of experience but they are not leaders. What we needed this year was an outfield player - preferably in central midfield - who could pick the team up when we were with our backs to wall and drag the youngsters over the finish line. He would probably have been critical to convert the draws against Ar5ena1 as well as Stoke, WBA and Chelscum into narrow wins.

Having said that, that type of player - a Robson or Keane type - would never have come to us last summer.

So rather than bemoan what we could have achieved why not celebrate that no-one in our wildest dreams would have imagine we would be one win away from second place with two games to go!
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Amen to that and it is something we have been missing all season, I like Lloris and he is a good keeper but having a capt as keeper has never been a favourite of mine as they are generally away from the game most of the time.
 
parklane1 said:
Amen to that and it is something we have been missing all season, I like Lloris and he is a good keeper but having a capt as keeper has never been a favourite of mine as they are generally away from the game most of the time.
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Agree 100%. No doubt someone will mention Schmeichel captaining the United treble winning side but they were a side that didnt need leadership like we seem to.
Personally I think Kane will end up as permanent captain within a few seasons.
 
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