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Juan Foyth

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 30 Aug 2017.

  1. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Luka Modric

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    I think he would be insulted and would ask to leave

    Come to spurs and join a club in the up... he’ll we will get you to play for your country as a youngster

    And then can you go and play for Sheffield United please
     
  2. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Luka Modric

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    Has KWP been held back or just not played?

    He has had MOTM in his first two prem starts IIRC
     
  3. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    KWPs development has been held back/stunted due to lack of playing time.

    Though I wouldnt say KWP has been held back, rather it would seem he just isnt good enough to break through against weak competition.

    Considering how Poch has managed us to date, its the only reasonable conclusion IMO.
     
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  4. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Vedran Corluka

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    I’m not sure I’d want him to be first choice in that position, it’s still quite new to him.
    When he played there against West Ham I thought he looked a bit shaky and he had to be bailed out by Sanchez a couple of times as I recall.
    In fairness it was only his second (?) time in that role and by all accounts he played well at RB last week for Argentina. Poch has mentioned about him playing there, so who am I to argue. Certainly he could be an option as a back up.
     
  5. braineclipse

    braineclipse Andy Thompson

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    Which parts of his defensive abilities though? We've seen in the past how players can look excellent ok one system, then out of their depths in another. What we ask from our centre backs is quite different to what some other teams ask of them. I would argue a smaller number of games, but playing in our system whilst working with our coaches could be more beneficial than more games at a different cub.

    You're right about KWP in that there are no certainties. We'll never know the answer to the counterfactual question, what if he was loaned out.

    Meanwhile Pochettino has succeeded at Spurs and Southampton at bringing through young players without loaning them out. I would say succeeded at a better rate than any other Spurs manager I can remember, and better than most other managers in the game.

    Perhaps we will start using loans more now that game time is less accessible due to the quality in our current squad. Perhaps. But I don't see it as an obvious answer for all young players with talent short on game time.
     
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  6. braineclipse

    braineclipse Andy Thompson

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    Shaky compared to who? Trippier? Aurier? KWP? A. N. Other we could realistically sign.

    Not saying it will happen, but wouldn't be shocked.
     
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  7. parklane1

    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    I would agree with this, they have shown that they both have great ability and look to have a great future here.
     
  8. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Simon Davies

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    It's interesting because his performances when he did play were actually OK. Of all our first team squad players he is probably the one who would benefit the most from a decent loan. He could play first team football at right back for a number of teams in the PL, which I think would be good for both him and the club.
     
  9. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Im not against a loan at all, could be the making of him - and all the while it looks like he wont play for us I think he has to leave one way or another.

    So either we loan him, and retain the potential to benefit from him if he does well, or we sell him.

    I agree with you, I thought he was OK. Neither especially good nor bad.

    However, Trippier was poor - and he couldnt get past him. Aurier was injured - and he couldnt get past him. Then at the end of the season Foyth (4 years younger and a CB!) was preferred to start games.

    I dont know why, as you say he was ok when he played, but it seems we just dont have faith in him or rate him.

    If he cant get games in a season like last, I wonder if he ever will.
     
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  10. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Just to add - we reportedly tried to use him as a makeweight in a deal for Wan-Bissaka. I wouldnt be at all surprised if we ended up doing similar before the end of the window.

    E.G. KWP + £10m = Aarons?
     
  11. metalgear

    metalgear Johnny Morrison

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    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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    What about them? He's 20, for Pete's sake!
     
  13. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    If we sent him out on loan, what chances do we have of bringing in as good a player to cover the position?
     
  14. LutonSpurs

    LutonSpurs Niko Kranjcar

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    Foyth as cover for RB is a great option, a 20 year old who can, if needed, start at either CB or RB or the right of back 3 - and very useful as a sub due to his versatility.

    Also if Poch can iron out the John Stones part of Foyth's game then we will be on to a fantastic prospect.
     
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  15. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    Switching off, rash tackles are his weaknesses at the moment - things that can be ironed out with more football - I rate him highly, it may come across as I dont, but I dont think he is ready to be starting more than a handful of games for a top 4 side just yet.

    I see KWP the same he was outstanding against Burnley and Fulham? last season - but against Southampton and West Ham he looked a complete liability

    That is a big call, better than any others in the game? He is good but not that good.
     
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    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    Yes, I dont know how you can say he has not - he is 22 and played 19 games in total. - by 22 Kyle Walker had played 70ish games at numerous first team levels.

    The 2 ahead of him last year had a mixed season at best.
     
  17. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Luka Modric

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    But Kyle Walker was playing in a lesser side not competing for titles so naturally got game time

    He also played on loan
     
  18. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    This is the crux of it for me.

    With that lack of genuine competition KWP should have pushed through. And he didnt. Theres two main reasons that could be, IMO:
    1) Poch held him back.
    or 2) He wasnt good enough.

    I think we would all agree 1) is highly unlikely, Poch allows youth a chance all the time, and when a young player does well he gets more chances.

    Which leads me to the sad conclusion, KWP just isnt good enough. So does that count as being held back? Id argue not.
     
  19. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    But would he have been readier to challenge with 40 odd league games under his belt?
     
  20. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Who knows? Maybe with 40 games under his belt we would have already written him off and sold him?

    Winks had no league experience but was trusted. Alli stepped up two divisions and was trusted. Foyth came from South America as green as can be and has been trusted - and crucially even trusted at RB ahead of KWP despite being a CB.

    I dont think experience is the biggest factor in this equation as Poch has proven it is not a limiting factor.

    The thing that I dont understand is that KWP clearly hasnt been terrible, Id say he has been ok, and yet he has still seemingly been written off - I wonder why? What has Poch seen (or not seen) to come to that decision?
     

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