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Jose Mourinho

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by mjc23, 20 Nov 2019.

  1. Bishop

    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    Bro you might not believe it but this information is nothing new, it has always been the case that Mourinho does not train attacking shape. He never has done, instead just like the article claims (and it's far from the first time it's been claimed) he leaves his attacking players freedom to play and devise how they want to play.

    This has worked in the past when he's either had complementary players a la Drogba-Lampard-Robben-Duff or just extremely talented and creative players like Ronaldo, Ozil, Higuain, Benzema, Eto'o, Milito etc.

    He has two here in Kane and Son but is lacking both the AM (he's tried Ndombele but he is not an AM) and the right sided attacker to make the freedom based attacking system work.

    Thats why I said even on Sunday it played out as us just throwing players on the pitch and going for it rather than a set system and playbook.

    I'm not saying giving the attackers freedom is a bad thing, it works when you have the right pieces, I think Jose is now realising he doesn't have all the pieces he requires.
    This is fair, we relied on Eriksen but I do believe we practised attacking patterns it's just that Eriksen was instrumental in all of them as was the well drilled Toby pass out to Rose on the left wing. You could see the pattern and shape. At the time my thing was we needed additional creativity to go along with Eriksen because he was the sole conduit. We needed a Ndombele in CM when we had Eriksen instead we had 2 of Dier, Wanyama and Dembele who while all were combatative they all lacked flair and invention and quick inventive passing.

    Poch eventually got his passing CM in Ndombele and Lo Celso but unfortunately didn't last long enough to get them in the team and evolve his system.
     
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  2. afsoc4life

    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    Reading the article, I am just laughing at Spurs players. One provided info about what Jose does. Are these players school children? If a team is weak defensively, won't you expect there to be more defensive sessions? If a team is weak offensively, won't there be more attacking sessions?

    That article is a hackjob for people who want to see what they are expecting to see.
     
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    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    Funny he doesn't train no attacking shape yet the team had far more shots which were wasted.
     
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    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    This has been explained - West Ham sat back and invited us on to them and we threw on all our attacling players.

    The fact we had so many shots but so few actual chances shows you this.
     
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  5. Bishop

    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    Because we have good attacking players and he does give them the freedom to attack in which ever way they feel makes sense. I feel like you didn't read what I said regarding this and instead took a defensive stance.

    This is the opposite approach to say Pep who drills shape and attacking patterns hence why every Pep side plays the same way even with different players and qualities.
     
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  6. MKSpur

    MKSpur Steve Carr

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    It was a tongue in cheek comment, I do think Moyes is doing a good job there and does seem to have made some astute signings that fit their system.
     
  7. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Anthony Gardner

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    Funny how we are widely regarded as having the League's best striker and one of the best attacking wingers in the League and we've scored less than non-figuratively every team in the Top 6, and the same amount as Aston Villa.
     
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  8. Raziel

    Raziel Johnny Morrison

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    But this piece seems to be the same for both managers? rely on a great CM and the individual skill of the front line to make magic happen?

    My bone of contention in the article is many things Poch sides had, posession, press, FB's overlap, etc. a well formulated final third plan wasn't one of them, way too many times we just huffed and puffed with tons of possession and did nothing ..
     
  9. Bishop

    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    Each approach relies on key creative players but with the difference being more philosophically based. Poch drills attacking shape and pattern whereas Mou leaves it fairly freeform and expects his players to stand up and be counted. It's why meteorology is important for him.

    Poch tries to create a pattern of play so that each player knows where they are and what is expected of them in a any given attacking circumstance.

    Mou expects the players to be able to devise solutions based on their quality and attacking attributes.

    As I said it works when Mou has both the quality of player and the full complement of attributes. Right now we lack both an AM and the right sided attacker (the expected Bale role).


    This was due to the over reliance on a single creative player and overly combatative centre of midfield. Wanayama, Dembele and Dier are not creative players, they don't move the ball quickly and they don't pass between the lines. So the ball moved forward too slowly then we lacked the creative wide forward which I think was necessary. Son is the goal scoring WF but on the other side Poch need a creative player. Mahrez was basically perfect for the system we played but instead we had Lamela who for his 3ndeavour isnt of the required quality and latterly Moura who isn't much of a passer.
     
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    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    we played a pressing game don't forget which a fair proportion of our attacking play was based around, which obviously would have been worked on on the training pitch.
     
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    DeanoAustin Vedran Corluka

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    Seems to be a bit of smoke coming out at the moment between the above article, the articles saying the club admire Nagelsmann/Rodgers and another article I saw saying the club are concerned but willing to give Jose the season.

    Seems like momentum is building - he needs some wins soon. Lose the next couple (Burnley and Fulham) and the pressure will ratchet up massively.
     
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    LemonadeMoney Chris Perry

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    As with most things these days, it's all online.
     
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    Modric THFC Chris Perry

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    When he started mentioning methods it reminded me of this

    Won't be long now till Levy sends Hitchen up the river to find out what Mourinho has been up to

     
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  14. Raziel

    Raziel Johnny Morrison

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    Some of it is positioning .. lets be clear, next 5 games

    - Lose 3 and it's probably a death sentence, especially if any is a bad loss
    - Win all 5, he likely gets a pass to end of season

    Every manager is 3 bad results from a crisis
     
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    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    So few actual chances yet key players missed gilt edged chances.

    Look I get it, y'all want him out. Either way I remain a Spurs fan.

    EDIT: Autocorrect changes edged to edges
     
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    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    mate none of them were gilt edge chances that's the whole point (gilt edge means a great opportunity fyi) - west ham sat back and were content for us to take pot shots all day long - same as we did v Arsenal and City - the same games everyone was happy with our approach in because we done what we needed to in front of goal and restrcted the opposition to creating nothing of note
     
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    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    Funny how many chances those two have squandered in the recent games. Also you want to compare the attacking strength of Spurs with the top 6? Let's be honest which of the top 6 has a weaker attack than Spurs.

    The only consistent credible goal scorers at Spurs are Kane and Son. I use consistent with a shudder because Son scores in streaks. Even with that he is our second best goal scorer. Of course we suffer when they are both off form as is the case.

    For the record we have Kane, Son, Alli, Lamela, Moura, Vinicius, Bergwijn and Bale. What are the goal contributions from the others apart from Kane and Son?

    I am expecting the retort that Jose is lazy in building his offence around the two. Ermm who else should he build it round? The team badly needs one of the remaining forward to step up so that there are other threats or even to rest Son for a fair while. The dude is knackered.
     
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    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    Ermm on one of the threads on those forum, there is an image of an attack where Kane has the ball with Son and another Spurs player in the box with nothing between them and the goal/goal keeper. That wasn't a gilt edged chance?
     
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    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    the one where Kane delayed playing the ball in to Dele? yeah that was our best chance
     
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  20. AdamB

    AdamB Colin Calderwood

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    being picky, its 'gilt edged' - refers back to days when government bonds (paper based) had a golden edge to the indicate that they were very safe and certain to be repaid
     
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