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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by mjc23, 20 Nov 2019.

  1. DubSpur

    DubSpur Ramon Vega

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    He doesn't have a game plan beyond get it to Harry. He also has the players afraid of being treated crap and dropped if they make a mistake, so they take safe options.
    I'd think the main idea of a manager is to get the team performing better than the sum of it's parts by implementing a proper system, if not then why do we need a manager?
     
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  2. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    Remember we were 11th ( I think ) when he took over. We had been utter dross for a year prior to that. Poch couldn't get a tune out of those tools. I suspect Mourinho wouldn't have wanted NDombele or Sessegon and has been saddled with them ( and probably Bergwyn). The remnants of the Poch era are ( for various reasons) now substandard - Ali, Dier, Winks, Rose, Sanchez, Toby ( due to age) , Sissoko, Moura, Lamela , Aurier and even Lloris on occasion.

    Difficult to get a tune out of that bunch of losers.
     
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  3. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    Which is the one player Mourinho asked for in January ( and probably last summer).
     
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  4. billyiddo

    billyiddo Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    Happens every time a manager is floundering at a club as concentration is elsewhere
     
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  5. harr1984

    harr1984 Frederic Kanoute

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    We were 14th, and already 11 points off top 4 after 12 games....
     
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    afsoc4life Jonathan Woodgate

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    Let me understand Derp If you look at the current Premier League squads, are you saying Spurs is in the top 4 squads? Spurs squad is better than one of United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea? And the reason we are not in the top 4 is that Jose is shiite? Aside from Kane, name a position where we have a player in the top 3 or 4 for that position!! The only other player may be Son and that is why Jose had to rely on those guys.
     
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  7. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    Thanks. And if Inrecall Mourinho got us up to a whisker of fourth. We bottled it ( again) at home to Chelsea when Son got sent off and we lost 2-0. A win would have taken is intontge top four. Where have I heard that before .........
     
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  8. billyiddo

    billyiddo Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    I don't expect the manager to stand in the dressing room saying as much to the players but I expect him to produce those sorts of levels otherwise what exactly are they doing to earn their wage?
     
  9. parklane1

    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    It depends who that man is, if its Poch you can not ( according to the Poch lovers phalanx) but Jose you can, different strokes for different folks. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. billyiddo

    billyiddo Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    Poch had to work with tools he was given just like Jose does and just like any manager will that comes after him
     
  11. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    Excellent point Sir.
     
  12. afsoc4life

    afsoc4life Jonathan Woodgate

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    I would argue that Jose has done well to get these guys play as they have with so many variations to his tactics. The players are scared of being treated like crap and dropped if they make a mistake? Where do we start from with Derp Firstly several of the players make mistakes and Jose has persisted with them as much as he can. Secondly says a lot about the mental strengths of the players. Was that the same reason they were stinking up the place under Pochettino? Mauricio also made them scared and wear diapers. Thirdly Jose has a system - intact he has several variations. However you are not happy with the results hence the statements. Every manager would like the ball to get to their most dangerous player. Do you think Barcelona try not to pass to Messi? At times I read the arguments and I feel it is emotionally regurgitated. Yes we have every right to be upset with performance but we must also be open to the truth. We don't have a top 4 squad.
     
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    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    I d o not disagree with that, not the point i was making though.
     
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  14. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    Don't want to open up this debate again, but how many players did Poch buy and how much did he spend? Let's leave it there shall we.
     
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    DubSpur Ramon Vega

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    It doesn't. Poch wasn't getting the best out of the players over the last year he was there, just like Mourinho isn't now.
     
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    afsoc4life Jonathan Woodgate

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    Produce the sort of level with reduced quality? As Jose said earlier, you need good eggs to make quality omelette. At times you may be blessed to have discovered players who are underrated (Gosh I miss Moussa Dembele). However the Spurs teams is improving and I will have the faith that we can do better.
     
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    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    So you have not read any posts on here over the last couple of years that have defended Poch by saying he never got the players he wanted??????
     
  18. billyiddo

    billyiddo Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    "Don't want to open up this debate again"

    *opens up debate*

    "Let's leave it there shall we"

    :confused:
     
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    billyiddo Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    What ever level your players are at it is the job of the manager to forge them in to a team - no one can tell me we look like a team, we look like 11 individuals each and every game and 18 months in to a managers reign that is a damning indictment
     
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  20. DubSpur

    DubSpur Ramon Vega

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    I'd argue that he has done terrible with his tactics as there aren't any and no system. He has slated players in public for making mistakes. Dele is the obvious example. He makes a mistake and about 90 seconds after he lost the ball a goal is conceded. He's dropped and not seen again. Other players have been treated poorly too. If players know they are going to be dropped for making a risky pass then they are going to take the safe option, it's nothing to do with meteorology.
    There's a million threads and arguments on Poch, he's gone, not getting into that.

    Mourinho doesn't have a system. I'm not happy with the results but when I was earlier in the season I still wasn't happy with the lack of a system beyond a low block and get it to Kane.
    Yes, every manager wants to get the ball to their most dangerous player, but they do it with a proper plan and it is not their only plan.
    Open to the truth? In your opinion, it's the truth, but it's only your opinion. We have a squad that is a top 4 squad. We've one weak area and that is CB.
    We've a good midfield and arguably the best forward line in the league.
     
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