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Jordon Peterson

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by DTA, 10 Jun 2022.

  1. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    The prize money comes from ticket sales and sponsorship, when people start paying the same to watch women's sports then they can have the same money.
     
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    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    Tennis and golf i would much rather watch women than men.
    Both are/were games of subtlety, skill and required strategy.
    The mens game in both is now more about how hard you hit it.
    They bare little resemblance to the game i play.
     
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    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    A little bit off subject but did you know there is one world record in track and field that will never be broken? See if you can guess what it is.
     
  4. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    Not a big track and field follower,, bob bemean long jump? Ed moses 400m hurdles? I think they may have gone but flo jo 100m, i doubt that will be beaten yet, although that was always a bit suspicious.
    Can you guess my age from these answers :)
     
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    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    Lol. No javelin. Guy in the 80s threw it so far it almost landed on the track. So they changed the javelin so it couldn't be thrown so far anymore. For obvious reasons.
     
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    Bullet Steffen Freund

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    Huh?
    So the women need 2 dominant players to form a rivalry.... but the men's game was boring because of a rivalry?

    If women want equal pay for sports we can do away with genderised sports and just allow all sportspeople to compete in the same events, regardless of gender. I'm sure they will make their way to the top
     
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    Mosquito_Coasting Sergei Rebrov

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    I find that rivalry boring, most don’t. Many, many other tennis rivalries I enjoy/enjoyed (the majority).
     
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  8. Daisuk

    Daisuk Jack Jull

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    Seems to me like a lot of people feel threatened by debates concerning the basic rights of groups they aren't part of, and it seems to me like this guy is somehow giving them a voice in a debate nobody wanted their opinion on. White middle aged men who are not content with being left behind or being made irrelevant.

    That said, "my side" of this have a tendency to make fun of and attack this guy by default. I don't really get that either. I think he seems like an intelligent guy. I hope he inspires people to do good, but unfortunately it seems to inspire a lot of hate as well.
     
  9. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    I think a lot of angst is that some see their rights being eroded when others rights are enabled.
    We, as in society, can't seem to be able to strike a balance, someone is always aggrieved somewhere along the line.
     
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  10. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    Bit racist.
     
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    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    I think the issue is more that some see others gaining equal rights as something being taken from them.

    I’m not as familiar with Petersons work as others here, but from what I have seen, I reckon he’s a clam.
     
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    DTA Tim Sherwood

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    I meant that he is seen as right wing, and because I I tend to agree with a lot of what he says, you may have turned me :)
     
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    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    No. It's that it's gone too far the other way. Positive discrimination. Believe all women etc...

    It should be about equality. Women, men, black white... but it's turned into something else.
     
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    DTA Tim Sherwood

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    Cathy Newman is indeed an exceptional journalist I have admired her for a long time. She did have a complete nightmare when she interviewed Peterson though. Maybe she just underestimated him.

    I agree with what you say about the SM rights reaction to the the interview though, and if I have a criticism of Jordon Peterson, it is that I don’t think he does enough to distance himself from those reactions.

    in fact I would go further, I have watched a lot of his podcasts, they are genuinely interesting and expand thought when he is sat opposite people on the left or liberals etc. But when he sat opposite those on the right he doesn’t call them out nearly enough, if I can see flaws in the positions that they present to him I would expect someone of his superior learning to do so much more effectively… which he doesn’t.

    that is disappointing
     
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    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    Wouldn't that be based on your perspective though. I'm guessing you assume you are central?
     
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    DTA Tim Sherwood

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    I’m left leaning socially liberal. But I am open to his core messages and I don’t think they are right wing if I am to be honest. I think that fundamentally he espouses the virtues of some traditional values which… still have value. Just because parts of what built the west’s societies that we live in, was undoubtedly discriminatory and unjust, doesn’t mean we should dismiss all the values and wisdom that brang us to where we are today. To borrow a phrase ‘we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water’

    having said all of this, I don’t think he in the podcasts and interviews I have seen with him ‘against’ somebody on the ‘right’ he exposes the obvious flaws and questions posed by their view points like he does with liberals and those on the left. If I can see a strong counterpoint then he almost certainly does, so the question is why doesn’t he call it out.

    truth is though I have only watched two podcasts he has done with those on the right, so maybe those are off days.
     
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    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    He's a capitalist no doubt. Often talks disparagingly of the soviet system. "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us". But he also realises that uncontrolled capitalism has only one end. The big fish eat the small fish till there is only one fish in the pond. That both left and right should agree this is what nobody wants.

    Not heard any solutions from him though.
     
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    AuroRaman Mitchell Thomas

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    I really enjoyed his pod with Russell Brand. I know he’s not a popular figure on here but Brand has an exceptional way of getting his guests to delve into sides of themselves they might not otherwise show to the public. He even managed to make Candace Owens somewhat human which is a feat in itself!
     
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    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    That's certainly the case in Scotland with the gender recognition act, a lot of women feel their rights and protections are being eroded.
    From the he little I've seen of peterson he strikes me as a dangerous person.
    The type that stirs up trouble and walks away leaving others to clean up his mess.
     
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    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    To what degree is it actually true that it has gone to far the other way?

    I don’t think that, statically, that would stand up to scrutiny.
     

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