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Is Big Tech being 1984'd?

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by LutonSpurs, 10 Jan 2021.

  1. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Gary Stevens Staff Member

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    Unless he wants to claim that he is, in fact, a nutter (which would make him 25th Amendment fodder) then here is why his tweets were being "censored"...it's called "free speech exceptions"...again, the biggest issue I have with it, is that it should've happened years ago as he's been spinning dangerous lies and flimflam for a long, long time.

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    False statements of fact[edit]
    Main article: False statements of fact
    In Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. (1974), the Supreme Court decided that there is "no constitutional value in false statements of fact".[11] However, this is not a concrete rule as the Court has struggled with how much of the "speech that matters" can be put at risk in order to punish a falsehood.[12]

    The Supreme Court has established a complex framework for determining which types of false statements are unprotected.[13] There are four such areas which the Court has been explicit about. First, false statements of fact that are said with a "sufficiently culpable mental state" can be subject to civil or criminal liability.[14] Second, knowingly making a false statement of fact can sometimes be punished. Libel and slander laws fall under this category. Third, negligently false statements of fact may lead to civil liability in some instances.[15] Lastly, some implicit statements of fact—those that have a "false factual connotation"—can also fall under this exception.[16][17]"
     
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  2. LutonSpurs

    LutonSpurs Eric Dear

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    I'm happy Trump is unhappy but this isn't about him. It's about Twitter having double standards. Trump gets away with this if he was staying on as President. They have gone against their own ideology in terms of how it is supposed to behave. And if they were to remain consistent then it will create a truly Orwellian environment on social media.
     
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  3. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    Great, so we've established that Twitter are now responsible for the veracity of the content on their platform.

    I assume that next time someone sues Twitter for a published statement that is false they will accept liability?
     
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  4. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    Tricky issue here. No easy answer. I don’t hate anyone but Trump is right up there with the people I detest most in the western world. I think twitter were right to revoke Trump’s privileges and take the sting out of the situation. The bigger picture here is he has been (commander in) chief instigator to the mob that stormed the capital. He’s an incendiary, divisive figure. He doesn’t lead, he divides. Not sure I totally agree with them banning him for life. As a liberal, I’ve always been for free speech, even if it’s speech I don’t agree with.
     
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  5. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    I think it’s completely reasonable for a social
    network to not moderate everything and act
    only for high profile cases.

    I don’t see the alternatives as being practical.
     
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  6. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Gary Stevens Staff Member

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    The main issue with it is that their defense would mean they were wrong not to have blocked service to him years ago. That is a massive issue for me...
     
  7. braineclipse

    braineclipse Barry Daines

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    What du you mean by Orwellian environment on social media?
     
  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    I can't remember the specific wording of the EU judgement that was made some time ago, but publishers are expected to have moderation policies and procedures in place that are sufficient to deal with the volume of content.

    The BBC does this very well, comments that break their rules do not last very long at all. I understand the difficulties of scale for a publisher the size of Twitter, but they are clearly not able to enforce what they have made clear is their own policy across their content.
     
  9. LutonSpurs

    LutonSpurs Eric Dear

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    So if Twitter is going to be consistent in their approach, which is let people spout what they want when they are in charge. But once the guard changes shut them down. That frightens me. It means that a new admin means a new approach for them. It is not built on having an issue for inciting hate as Trump did that for ages before this. It is non-figuratively driven by the realisation that he isn't going to be in charge anymore and they need to appease the new admin. My view.
     
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  10. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    I’m strongly against unworkable technical policies as perceived solutions to social problems.

    It’s something I fight against a lot in my day job.
     
  11. braineclipse

    braineclipse Barry Daines

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    Cheers mate, understand your concern better now and I agree that this would be problematic, though perhaps not quite Orwellian in my mind.

    If I'm being optimistic I'm hoping that the recent changes are a part of a learning curve for these companies. That there will be consistency in time, but in a different way than the one you outlined. That another Trump would be sanctioned much earlier.
     
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  12. P.D.

    P.D. Chris Armstrong

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    But what counts as high profile cases and who determines it? Take the school meals thing, posted as being £30 worth of food but turns out it's meant to be £10.50 worth of food (still a terrible amount of food) but the story is now out there with no correction made by Twitter.
     
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    SpurMeUp Tom Huddlestone

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    The moral of the story is don't use social media to get your news. Even the daily mail is not really a trusted source. If you want verified news then choose a newspaper with credentials.
     
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  14. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    I don’t think you can have a practical system that covers 400% of possibilities.

    It’s the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
     
  15. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Vedran Corluka

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    Amusing recent message from Twitter the other day...

     
  16. P.D.

    P.D. Chris Armstrong

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    I agree but I'd bet more people in the UK get their news from social media than a newspaper or other news site like BBC each day and that's not going to change anytime soon when more and more news outlets go behind a paywall.
     
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