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Harry Kane MBE

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by thfcsteff, 29 Jan 2013.

  1. Denmark Spur

    Denmark Spur Simon Davies

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  2. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    We’ll be competitive if he keeps his arse in gear.
     
  3. Robbo

    Robbo Jimmy Neighbour

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    I'd say the current contract that lasts until he's 31 will keep him at Spurs for the prime of his career. :confused:
     
  4. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Pat van den Hauwe

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    Either that or Levy will exact a pretty penny out of PSG.
     
  5. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Jimmy Neighbour

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    Get ourselves higher up the pitch (like we did for most of the Leeds game).
     
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    Finney Is Back Jimmy Neighbour

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    Good post mate.... It looked to me that against Leeds Bergwijn seemed to be staying higher up the pitch and getting himself closer to Kane. The whole team also seemed to be higher up he pitch until the last 20 minutes or so. This time there was no noticeable difference in our defensive line before and after we went 1-0 up which was good to see. I think we’d be sitting here with 4 more points and 4+ more goals had we done the same against Palace and Wolves.
     
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  7. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    Was a big change for the team in that game
    The deepest midfielder was winks
    Meant that the players in front didn’t feel the need to come alongside him to receive the ball so stayed further forward
    And then when sissokos came in he used his strengths to break lines and exert some pressure back on Leeds
     
  8. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Jimmy Neighbour

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    I don’t think a teams line is ever set by the two in midfield, they just tend to occupy a position between the defence and attack so just take a relative position as opposed to influencing the defensive line of the team.... A team’s defensive line tends instead to be set by its centre halves. However in this game i think it was greatly influenced by the fact that we actually performed a half press with our four attacking players.
     
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  9. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    We deffo pressed more I agree
    But it comes down to where everyone sits abs settles
    Hojdjberg was much more advanced than normal. That was because he could do knowing he had a man who could pass well behind him as abs when we had the ball. Winks also did the same (look at the pelanty we won)
    We can’t do that with sissoko as when he plays in midfield he doesn’t pass well enough so players come deep to join him making everything that but deeper
    I do agree the attack pressing made a difference. Joys of having a week off (just like city)
     
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  10. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Jimmy Neighbour

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    It doesn't come down to where 'everyone' sits and settles at all, the two central midfielders in a team take a relative position as opposed to setting the team's position. If our defence had played deeper or our forwards not pressed and instead dropped off into our half then our midfielders would've been forced to drop off as well (as happened in the last 20 mins of the game)

    The pelanty we won came about because our four attacking players were actually close to the opposition's pelanty area and playing a half press as Leeds were trying to play it out..... Our 4 attackers being high up on Leeds' defenders and defensive midfield player, forces Leeds to either play long or drop their more attacking midfield players deeper to pick up a pass, Leeds typically did the latter allowing our midfielders to push up on their direct opponents and our defenders will then squeeze up to ensure there isn't too much space between our midfield and defence, which is the space that everyone wants to play in. It is coaching 101 for how a team is organised when pressing the opposition. If our attacking players had dropped off to the half way line (as has been the case when we have gone ahead in games recently) and given Leeds' defensive players time on the ball then our two central midfielders would be forced to position themselves in our own half between our attacking players and our defenders, whether they were a limited ball player like Wilson Palacios or fantastic passer of the ball like Michael Carrick would make no difference to the position they were forced to take up.

    When the opposition have the ball deep in their own half our line is determined by our attacking players (and whether or not we are prepared to press). If the opposition make it through that initial press and find themselves on the ball nearer to the middle of the pitch then our line is determined by our two centre halves in terms of how far they want to retreat to (not) leave space in behind.
     
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  11. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    Did you see how we got the ball back for that goal?
    We had winks and PEH roughly a 1/3 of the way in their half
    I don’t know exactly where our defence was behind TBH but that midfield position is something we haven’t seen
    I genuinely believe it’s because players know how each other plays abs who can do what with the ball
    Hence why players will gamble more and support the press. It’s also exactly what Jose has been saying consistently he wants but we haven’t seen
    Leeds though did play into our hands with it
    And on the winks benefit for this game he made the fewest amount of passes in a very Very long while bit actually covered his most distance. He did what sissoko does in covering space but played the forward passes we have been missing that are needed against a high pressing team
     
  12. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Jimmy Neighbour

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    Yes.... But we had them in that position because our four attacking players were pressing Leeds defensive players who were trying to play football between themselves and their keeper.

    Having midfielders higher up the pitch when the opposition have possession of the football is absolutely nothing to do with one or both of those midfielders knowing that the other one can pass the ball. It is instead simply how any team is organised when playing a pressing game. Midfielders supporting a press isn't 'gambling', it is essential. Otherwise the efforts of the attacking players who initiate the press are futile as the opposition have an easy out ball to one of their own players who have dropped off to receive it and the opposition have played through our press, leaving our defence exposed to the opposition in space, running at them.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    Yeah I agree
    It has to start form the front, and as a unit
    But the balance has to be there to support it too
    We can’t have the forwards pressing and the midfield deep as it gives them room for an out
    The issue with a player like sissoko is he can press but can’t really do anything with the ball so naturally sits deep and is often playing right back or centre back depth. Then we need someone coming short to get the ball off him which means we’re deeper before we even flip of into a press going the other way

    What we had at the weekend was a reverse Christmas tree with winks playing that deeper role, then Hojdjberg then Tanguy flanked by Bergwein and son.

    what else was key was they chose when to press well. Again I’m not convinced that suits certain players (Lamela cough, cough) who will press insanely in isolation leaving the team sometimes exposed
     
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    Finney Is Back Jimmy Neighbour

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    I have no reason to believe that Sissoko would do anything other than join the team's press if we were playing one. He seems pretty switched on in terms of tracking runners and also plays to his manager's instruction so there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't play a part in the press. We just haven't been playing a pressing game in proceeding games this season. Sissoko has been playing deeper because that is what his manager has been asking him to do. I also think that even Sissoko could've made the pass to Bergwijn that Winks did (although I guess there is an equal chance that Sissoko would've carried the ball forward instead of passing). Must say though that I thought Winks had a tidy game at the weekend.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    sisoako can press. He just can’t keep the ball when he gets it, so he gives it to someone else to do the “clever” stuff with
    sissokos first though would have been, control the ball, take a touch, pass it 5 yards. That’s his game when he plays in midfield I’m afraid
    When he came on in a more attacking role he moved the ball quickly

    that’s my opinion and I know some agree with me. There is 400% a role for sissoko but not against teams in which we can get the ball. he is perfect for when we play Emirates Marketing Project for example
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    Robbo Jimmy Neighbour

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    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    JerusalemMan Vedran Corluka

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    Research group CIES Football Observatory.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    Contract length
    Age
    Amount of Twitter followers
    Hair style
    Tattoo count
    There are quite a few factors
    Nearly all have nothing to do with actual football though
     
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