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Football and money

Discussion in 'General Football' started by milo, 10 Feb 2015.

  1. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    What it really says is that Liverpool did it when they could afford not to.

    That's far worse in my book
     
  2. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    Gone right off Everton recently, seemed to have given up doing it the right way and now just trying to cheat the system. Their wage bill is mad, they should have at least been deducted points by now.
     
  3. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    Wel their fixing the system with the Russians money behind the scenes
     
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  4. MKSpur

    MKSpur Terry Venables

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    So they are paying some of the prem money out in advance to help the clubs out:

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rize-money-ease-cashflow-problems-coronavirus


    Premier League clubs are to receive an advance on prize money and media payments to help ease cashflow problems.

    Since the suspension of football nearly four weeks ago, clubs at all levels have been confronted with a dramatic decline in revenue. The news that top-flight clubs are to receive a share of merit payments before the end of the season indicates even the top sides are facing financial pressure.
     
  5. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    #THFC consistently report high profits, driven by impressive revenue growth (especially CL) and relatively low wages. Debt has shot up due to investment in new stadium, leading to high investments and depreciation. Very low transfer spend, particularly in 2019.

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  6. metalgear

    metalgear Jimmy McCormick

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  7. milo

    milo Jürgen Klinsmann Staff Member

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    We did. We spent £100m last summer.
     
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  8. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    Have been wondering if the pandemic would give us more opportunities to play youngsters more. No crowd meaning they would not get nervous as much about making mistakes.

    The lack of m9ney could mean a promotion of youth players for 2 reasons.
     
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  9. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Jimmy Neighbour

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    I would imagine because at that point our stadium had gone hugely over budget and we had to find the money from somewhere.
     
  10. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Vedran Corluka

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  11. Wilheldiva

    Wilheldiva Kevin Scott

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    fun read, sounds like it could be made up though tbh, could be real too obviously. i dont think anything too groundbreaking was said, but an interesting take on the current situation regardless.

    has to be an british player, late 20's/30's, given the mention of his background, and england worldcup camp.
     
  12. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Pat van den Hauwe

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    And Northern, possibly scouse? Given use of word "lecky" when talking about paying bills.
     
  13. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    Premier League clubs have been told they could have to repay an estimated £340m to domestic and international broadcasters - even if the season resumes behind closed doors.

    Club officials met on Monday to continue talks on 'Project Restart'.

    League bosses said their objections to neutral stadia had been heard and that they would ask authorities to scrap the idea.

    But a "curtailment" of the season was discussed for the first time.

    The refund is anticipated as matches are not taking place as expected - both because they will be played without fans and at different times to originally scheduled.

    Premier League clubs are due to earn a total of £9.2billion from broadcasters for the 2019-22 cycle.

    Premier League chief executive Richard Masters had previously predicted a loss of "at least £1bn" if the Premier League failed to complete the 2019-20 season.

    "We were able to update our clubs today on our situation with broadcasters, which is obviously confidential," Masters said on Monday.

    "Whatever happens, there's going to be significant loss of revenue for clubs. That is inevitable.

    "We were able to paint a picture today about what would happen in various scenarios, playing out the season and not playing out the season, to allow them to have a picture of that as we stand in the early part of May.

    "But in terms of putting an estimate on it, I don't want to do that today."

    Reconsidering neutral venues
    The Premier League says it has listened to the objections of some clubs to the use of neutral grounds if the season resumes, and will support them in putting those views to the authorities.

    Masters said the organisation was in "ongoing dialogue" with the government, police and ground safety officials.

    "Everybody would prefer to play at home and away if at all possible, and it's clear to see some clubs feel more strongly about that than others," he said after a shareholders' meeting.

    He said clubs had argued against using neutral grounds because fans could be trusted not to gather in large numbers at their stadiums.

    "I think some of our clubs would argue that in relation to policing their own fans that they have a good relationship with them," Masters said.

    "They can encourage their own fans not to turn up outside their home venues while they're playing behind closed doors, and they're in a better position to control that, but it's not a matter of convincing - this has to be a decision that's come to mutually."

    He said "a really strong collective will to complete the season remains" but admitted "curtailment" of the season was discussed for the first time on Monday.

    Two weeks ago clubs were told neutral stadiums were the only way the season could be completed, because authorities were concerned about fans congregating outside home grounds and breaching social distancing rules.

    A significant majority of the clubs are understood to be opposed to the proposal, with Watford, Aston Villa and Brighton coming out publicly against it.

    Those clubs now want the chance to show they can deliver home and away matches safely, and league bosses are behind them.

    "Since Covid became an issue we've been talking to the authorities about the conditions in which we could get the Premier League back up and running and taking all that advice on board, but it is an ongoing dialogue," said Masters, speaking for the first time since the season was suspended.

    "But all must be cognisant of what authorities are telling us, and we'll continue with that consultation."

    The government is understood to have "open ears" regarding neutral venues and is prepared to discuss the matter. However a final decision is likely to rest with the police and ground safety officials, who have to grant licences to venues.

    Last week the head of the UK's football policing unit, deputy chief constable Mark Roberts, said clubs opposed to neutral grounds should "get a grip".

    Liverpool mayor Joe Anderson told the BBC he feared thousands of Reds fans would gather outside Anfield to celebrate the title, even if matches were played at neutral venues.

    However, recently retired West Yorkshire chief superintendent Owen West told the Guardian the use of neutral stadiums had "no rationale", and such a proposal was not being enforced in Germany where the Bundesliga hopes to resume this weekend.

    What happens next?
    • Wednesday, 13 May: Professional Footballers' Association/League Managers' Association consult members on medical protocols
    • Thursday, 14 May: Meetings between Premier League and PFA/LMA about medical protocols
    • Thursday, 14 May: Meeting between Culture Secretary and football authorities
    • Monday, 18 May: Next Premier League meeting
    • Monday, 18 May: Premier League players may return to initial group training under socially distancing protocols
    • 25 May: Uefa deadline for leagues to have finalised plan for restarting seasons
    • 1 June: Government date for possible return of elite sport behind closed doors in England
    • 12 June: Premier League aiming to return with first fixture
    'Collective will to complete the season'
    Despite mounting tension and division over the use of neutral stadiums, Masters said Monday's five-hour meeting showed a "strong desire to discuss everything in the round, and to agree a collective way forward".

    He insisted a "really strong collective will to complete the season remains".

    But he also admitted a cancellation of the season was discussed for the first time.

    "It's the first time we've discussed curtailment," he said. "It's still our aim to finish the season obviously, but it's important to discuss all of the options with our clubs.

    "Obviously we won't be playing until the middle of June. It doesn't seem quite right to be talking about playing before we've taken a decision to return to the first stage of training.

    "But in terms of how those matches will take place there's a lot of water to pass under the bridge, and we'll continue to assess the circumstances then."

    Masters said the issue of scrapping relegation had not been raised at any Premier League meetings.

    "Not in our meetings, last week or today," he said. "All I can go on is what we're discussing in our meetings. And you specifically asked about scrapping relegation while playing out the season, and that has never been raised in our formal meetings at all."

    The issue of contracts was discussed, with some players due to be out of contract at the end of June.

    "What was agreed was that players can extend their contracts until the end of the season," said Masters.

    "It must be agreed by both parties."

    Asked whether the Premier League returning on 12 June was the aim, he added: "I think it's too early for us to talk about it. We want to remain in step with government and the authorities. And we want to remain in step with the mood of football supporters.

    "I think really the talk at the moment should be about the tentative steps we are taking now that the announcements have been made about getting back to training, and only once players have been consulted."

    Players and managers will be consulted on proposed medical protocols for a return to training by the PFA and LMA over the next two days, before meetings with the Premier League on Thursday. If the measures are accepted, an initial phase of group training could begin next week.
     
  14. Baleforce

    Baleforce Bert Bliss

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    They TV money return will be a negotiation, and in my opinion more likely a factor of an extension to the current deal, if the PL have their feet held to the fire they will just threaten to take it all to Amazon or similar next time.
     
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  15. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Frederic Kanoute

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    Sky and BT can't afford to lose the PL, their whole business model is based on it.
    Simple solution will be to carry over the %age of any missed games from this season to next for no extra charge.
     
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  16. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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  17. jts1882

    jts1882 Simon Davies

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    Levy has always kept our wages ratio low, but without the CL run it would probably been in the 50s. Ideally, success on the field wouldn't change the ratio, but football wage structures favour mediocrity and only partially reward success.
     
  18. MKSpur

    MKSpur Terry Venables

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    Any idea what our extra operational costs could be, given we are 2nd only to Chelsea in total expense and 30m more than Goons?
     
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  19. milo

    milo Jürgen Klinsmann Staff Member

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  20. jts1882

    jts1882 Simon Davies

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    Maybe those with high profile commercial ties will do better than those without them. A shame, but they were never beneficiaries (unless their owners had other priorities).
     

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