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Football and money

Discussion in 'General Football' started by milo, 10 Feb 2015.

  1. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Milija Aleksic

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    Well thats it, no one watches it live and no one watches it on tele so the game does not make the money, thats not mans fault, its not womans fault, its just not a product people want to pay to watch. Thems the punches
     
  2. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    While I do agree, the prizes (and wages etc) in the mens game reflect the money it attracts, which is exactly the same for the womens game (which is actually a pretty good definition of fair!) I also think it shouldnt be unreasonable to ask the FA to use their money to help build the womens game.

    If prize money etc were increased it could incentivise more women teams, players and ultimately quality.

    That is not to say for a second I think that means parity with the mens game.
     
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  3. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    If you compare earnings to worth across all the women in all of football, then they're nearly all massively underpaid.

    But if Karen Brady gets even minimum wage then her wage to talent disparity will balance it all out.
     
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  4. Jordinho

    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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    There's just no way that's a fair value. United have a 10 year deal at 750 million. City doesn't come close in marketing value, even if it includes their provincial clubs.
     
  6. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    The deal covers five football clubs including ones in the US and China. City will get by far the biggest share, but the actual value is hard to guess.

    Puma is German with some French investment. Is there any reason to believe that any Emirati ruling families have an influence? That was the reason some of the other deals were bogus.
     
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    Bullet Jimmy McCormick

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    Yes. It is City.
    They pay them who pay them who ensure they don't do that to them but they will buy that so that they get that so those guys get the thing they wanted so everyone wins. Allegedly.
     
  8. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Jimmy Neighbour

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    They've probably agreed to make mahoosive orders from sport shops in Abu Dhabi.
     
  9. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Have Puma got any major clubs on their books?

    Could be around that. As memory serves Nike and Adidas have all the big boys tied up, City are up for grabs, maybe Puma have just gone silly in an attempt to secure their own marquee team?
     
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    bjholmem Nico Claesen

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    Arsenal use Puma. Hardly a major club these days.
     
  11. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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  12. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    That's not impossible, but the per capita purchases would be remarkable.

    The reason I asked about Puma is that the others fit rather simple pattern, one that wouldn't fool Baldrick. There is a simple reason why they have lucrative sponsorship deals with Etihad Airways, Etisalat, Visit Abu Dhabi, and Aabar. It's much harder to dismiss Puma as legitimate.

    Source: Emirates Marketing Project deserve European ban if guilty
     
  13. nelto

    nelto Ronnie Rosenthal

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    Need to register, but here's the article, someone posted it on FB:

    Matthew Syed in the Times

    I would love to meet the staff in Emirates Marketing Project’s sponsorship department. They must be geniuses down there. They have taken a relatively small club in global terms, with a smallish fanbase, and turned them into a commercial powerhouse with no precedent in organised sport.
    Companies that have had no association whatever with football, and for whom the commercial upsides are quite obscure (at least to me) have been falling over themselves to sign deals with the club. “To talk well and eloquently is a very great art,” Mozart once said. Well, the guys at the sponsorship office must be positively Shakespearean.
    Deals with, among other companies, Etihad Airways, Etisalat and Visit Abu Dhabi, have been negotiated and signed. Money has poured into the club like water into the Niagara Basin. If nothing else, I would love to have seen the PowerPoint presentation that persuaded Aabar to invest so lavishly. This is an investment company based in Abu Dhabi with holdings in aviation, energy, manufacturing and technology, so you can totally see that they would be keen to throw millions into a football club in northwest England.
    City like to tell us that they are now a global franchise, with a worldwide audience and unlimited aspirations. This, after all, is the explanation for how the club have managed to finance some of the most extravagant expenditure in the history of sport. It is all coming from their own self-generated revenues, partnerships with companies looking for a “synergistic association”.
    And yet, if so, why do so many of these partners conform to such a curious pattern? For a club with such global reach, why do such a high percentage of sponsors seem to hail from a tiny sliver of land situated between Oman and Qatar? It is like in Harold Pinter’s play The Caretaker, where the tramp keeps repeating the phrase, “I gotta go to Sidcup.” City’s sponsorship department gotta go to Abu Dhabi.

    Perhaps the tone of this column is a tad sarcastic, but then I have always found the City project rather fantastical. The football is beautiful but the balance sheet has long seemed more like something from a Gilbert & Sullivan farce.
    For years, we have been expected to believe that a club owned by a chap with untold wealth, and which has spent without inhibition, has been operating on a purely commercial basis. Nothing to see here, guv. Now, of course, the club are in the midst of an investigation by Uefa. The original allegations from last November by Der Spiegel were strongly denied by the club. Last week, more leaked documents emerged, including one pertaining to Aabar, that financial investment company. An email from director Simon Pearce allegedly said: “As we discussed, the annual direct obligation for Aabar is £3 million. The remaining £12 million required will come from His Highness.”

    The allegation, then, is that the sums transferred by Aabar were gerrymandered by Sheikh Mansour, the owner, who was providing vast subsidies in defiance of Uefa rules. The implication is that City’s sponsorship department, far from being candidates for a gushing case study in the Harvard Business Review, are really a back-office function channelling illicit funds through plausible front companies.
    In a different email, Graham Wallace, then City’s chief operating officer and who was writing in September 2012, allegedly wrote: “What we therefore need is that monies we are attributing to [City’s sponsors] Etisalat, ADTA, Aabar and Etihad . . . are physically remitted to us by those businesses . . . to avoid any related party influence/control considerations.”

    This is not the only inquiry City are facing, of course. They may also be the subject of an FA inquiry after it was alleged that they misled the governing body over the third-party ownership of a player, Bruno Zuculini. Just last week, we also discovered that the FA will be investigating allegations that Emirates Marketing Project paid Jadon Sancho’s agent £200,000 in connection with the England forward’s move from Watford when he was 14.

    Now, I should state two things clearly. The first is that I have nothing against City per se. They play beautiful football and have some wonderful fans. The second is that City strenuously deny all the accusations, sticking to the mantra they have trotted out since last year. “We will not be providing any comment on out-of-context materials purported to have been hacked or stolen from City Football Group and Emirates Marketing Project personnel and associated people. The attempt to damage the Club’s reputation is organised and clear.” They are nothing if not consistent.
    But one’s admiration for the way City play football should not shade into the acceptance of shady behaviour off the pitch, if such behaviour can be proved via due process. And neither should one’s disagreement with the strictures of Financial Fair Play, which favours established clubs at the expense of arrivistes such as City, shade into condoning the serial violation of those same strictures. If you want to change the rules, you should lobby to do so, not break them instead.
    And that is why if City are found guilty they should not be given the customary slap on the wrist, but thrown out of the Champions League. That would deprive the competition of a wonderful team, but it would also send an important message that the powerful and wealthy are sometimes inclined to forget. Rules only make sense if they are enforced.
     
  14. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    You do realise that is the article my post quoted?
     
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    nelto Ronnie Rosenthal

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    Yes mate, but I thought that you had to be registered on The Times site to read the full article. Somebody put it up on FB, so I just did a copy and paste...

    Apologies.
     
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  16. Jordinho

    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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  17. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    No, the apologises should be mine. I misread your post and why you posted it.
     
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  18. Rorschach

    Rorschach Erik Thorstvedt

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    What?!! Apologies? What sort of deviant behaviour is this?
    Did you not read the internet behaviour memo? Check your spam folder.
     
  19. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Milija Aleksic

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    Adrian Durham saying Real Madrid should be banned for not having a womans team
     
  20. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    They're a bunch of fannies anyway.
     

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