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European Super League

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Jordinho, 2 Mar 2016.

  1. Craig_J

    Craig_J Jose Dominguez

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    If they keep fudging about with football and finding more and more ways to imbalance it they will succeed in losing my viewership as I don't really love football all that much anymore as it is and just love Tottenham. However I won't see any point in carrying on watching Spurs if there's a European Super League designed to keep us knocked down forever. Where is the sporting interest in that?

    The only thing that needs to be changed is to stop changing it all the time. Pick a structure and stick to it. I would like the old European Cup and UEFA Cup formats but I know that's never going to happen ever again and so the second best format is to keep it as it is.

    No game 39's, no penalties if there's a league draw, no invite only tycoon leagues tipping the scales back, no European clubs playing competitive matches in other parts of the world...
     
  2. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Steffen Iversen

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    Honestly its almost as if UEFA are calling their bluff. You want to play a minimum 16 european games a season. Sure go ahead idiots.
     
  3. Raziel

    Raziel Paul Stalteri

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    It has nothing to do with game quality .. it's all money

    - the CL is losing it's place as the "where the money is", almost all sides in the EPL will surpass their earning shortly
    - That has the European "elite" upset
    - Add in that the usual "sky 4" are in a position where only 1 or 2 may finish in top 4 (shows the power shift already)

    This is FFP pt2, translation = how do we have 10-12 clubs in Europe protect their position of wealth no matter how badly run they are, and/or what dross they serve up every fudging game
     
    Spur of the moment and Rorschach like this.
  4. the dza

    the dza Johnny Morrison

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    In American sports, they have the 'regular season' and then the 'playoffs'.

    Well, we have a regular, league season with it's own prestige, and the playoffs are the Champions League the next season. Where we have gone wrong is to have group stages in the Champions League. Just make it straight knock-out, then all ties generate interest for at least 1 leg. We already have enough group stages, they are called domestic leagues.
     
  5. Whiffler

    Whiffler Jonathan Woodgate

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    A bit early for threads dedicated to future seasons

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37194666 - my bold/italics

    Europe's top four domestic leagues are to be guaranteed four places each in the group stages of the Champions League from the 2018-19 season.

    The current top four according to European governing body Uefa's rankings are Spain, Germany, England and Italy. Under the present system, England, Germany and Spain have three places each while their fourth-placed teams must win a play-off to qualify. Italy has only two guaranteed places, plus one in the play-off round.

    Uefa, which controls the Champions League, says the Europa League winners will also automatically qualify for the Champions League group stage under the new system. But it has stopped short of guaranteeing places for named clubs, such as AC Milan, Liverpool, Inter Milan and Manchester United. They all missed out [failed] on this season's group stage after performing poorly in their respective leagues last season.

    Uefa has also revealed the financial distribution to clubs will be "increased significantly" for the Champions League and Europa League. It also said "historical success in the competition" will also be acknowledged to calculate where a league sits in its rankings. Points will be awarded for previous European titles but weighted towards more recent success in the Champions League and Europa League.

    Uefa has called the changes "an evolution not a revolution". According to Uefa competitions director Giorgio Marchetti, the format for the Champions League will remain the same. Following a qualifying stage, 32 teams will be drawn in eight groups of four for the right to be one of 16 sides to make it through to the knockout competition.​
     
  6. elyid

    elyid Goran Bunjevcevic

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    It's almost as if UEFA thought some of this years groups were less than appealing :)

    "stopped short of guaranteeing places for named clubs, such as Liverpool" hahaha they might as well have said West Ham.

    I guess it's good for us that finishing 4th will go straight to the groups though.
     
  7. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Mitchell Thomas

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    It also said "historical success in the competition" will also be acknowledged to calculate where a league sits in its rankings. Points will be awarded for previous European titles but weighted towards more recent success in the Champions League and Europa League.
    Well at least Liverpool can contribute to the PL's ranking.
    Oh, wait, it says "recent success".
     
  8. Jordinho

    Jordinho Clive Allen Staff Member

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    Yes, give four spots to the league whose 3rd placed side failed to qualify this season. Portugal and France have a real chance at catching them over the next three seasons if their clubs perform well.
     
  9. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Steffen Iversen

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    No mention of "recent success" in the two articles UEFA released today.

    http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/administration/communications/news/newsid=2398899.html
    http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2398611.html

    This is gonna affect clubs with no European Cup or Uefa Cup history like Arsenal and Emirates Marketing Project.
     
  10. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Mitchell Thomas

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    • Historical success in the competition will also be acknowledged in coefficient calculation (points for previous European titles with a weighted system for UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League titles)
    Ah. So it means more favourable weightings for winners of the current format competitions, rather than the older UEFA Cup and European Cup, presumably?
     
  11. Whiffler

    Whiffler Jonathan Woodgate

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    I suspect it's par for the course 'rolling form'-based rating.

    It's league-related, so all PL teams will contribute ..... when they can.


    So Spammers getting knocked out before things get started (again) puts us in debt again.
     
  12. Robbo

    Robbo Alf Ramsey

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    Edging closer to the european super league they're drooling for. Just need to make absolutely sure that the big name clubs will dominate the competition year in year out - you know, for the sake of the sponsors.
     
  13. Jordinho

    Jordinho Clive Allen Staff Member

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    Europe’s professional leagues declared war on Uefa over its revamp of the Champions League on Thursday after condemning its decision to hand four permanent places each to England, Spain, Italy and Germany.

    The European Professional Football Leagues (EPFL) – members of which include the Premier League – threatened to tear up their Memorandum of Understanding with the governing body which prevents domestic matches being scheduled on European nights.

    The EPFL accused Uefa of driving through the change to its elite club competition without consulting Europe’s leagues and called on whoever is elected its new president next week to overturn the decision.

    Uefa announced last month that the four largest football nations would be guaranteed half of the 32 spots in the Champions League from 2018 following negotiations with the European Club Association.

    That means more clubs from smaller leagues losing places in the lucrative competition, something the EPFL declared would “have a detrimental impact on domestic competitions and will lead to an exponential growth in the financial and sporting gap between the biggest clubs in Europe and all the others”.

    It said in a statement following a meeting of its board of directors in Amsterdam: “The European Leagues believe the way this process has been conducted by Uefa to be unacceptable for an organisation that claims to be the governing body of football in Europe.

    “A major change in European football has been announced without the support and consensus of the organisers of domestic league football in Europe. This decision will have a detrimental impact on domestic competitions and will lead to an exponential growth in the financial and sporting gap between the biggest clubs in Europe and all the others.

    “As a result of the decision taken by Uefa, the EPFL believes that Uefa has breached the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between the two organisations. In the event that the EPFL were to terminate the MoU as a result of such breach, this would give all European leagues total freedom to schedule their matches as they see fit – including on the same days and at the same kick-off times as Uefa club competitions.

    “Finally, the EPFL calls on the new Uefa president, to be elected next week, to reconsider the reform relating to Uefa club competitions. The European leagues stand ready to meet the new Uefa president to discuss these matters.”

    Thursday’s meeting was attended by representatives of the Premier League, La Liga, the Bundesliga, Scottish Professional Football Leagues, French Professional Football League , Liga Portugal, Dutch Eredivisie, Russian Premier League, Swiss Football League, Swedish Professional Football League, Danish Professional Football League and Italian Lega Serie B.

    Italy’s Serie A – clubs from which gained most from the revamp having had just three Champions League spots (only two of them guaranteed) – was not represented at the meeting.

    The EPFL MoU with Uefa was drawn up to ensure the highest possible television viewing figures for its European club competitions.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...nding-four-permanent-champions-league-places/
     
  14. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Jimmy McCormick

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    I'm not surprised, and I totally agree with the EPFL.
     
  15. jaysea67

    jaysea67 Espen Baardsen

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    With regard to the proposal to "acknowledge historical success" within UEFA's coefficient calulation - I believe UEFA will add extra points to a club's coefficient based on the club's previous European titles but they are still deciding between 2 options for the number of points to add for CL titles:
    For titles won in the last 5 years: CL either 15 or 12 points, EL 3 points
    Over 5 years but from 1993 onwards: CL 10 or 8, EL 2
    Before 1993: CL 5 or 4, EL 1.
    The largest English beneficiary of this change would be Liverpool who would add 34 points (or 28 for the lower option) to their coefficient.

    It appears that UEFA also intend to calculate the coefficient on the basis of results in the previous 10 seasons rather than 5 as at present.
     
  16. Denmark Spur

    Denmark Spur Dean Austin

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  17. Whiffler

    Whiffler Jonathan Woodgate

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    What a load of w@nk !
     
  18. Jordinho

    Jordinho Clive Allen Staff Member

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    Please, go! Stop annoying everyone with all these threats and just fudge off to your own little plaything.
     
  19. Jordinho

    Jordinho Clive Allen Staff Member

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  20. P.D.

    P.D. Jonathan Woodgate

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    There is a presidential election in UEFA soon, if Ceferin wins then he may try and change that at a later date.
     

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