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European Super League - Dead on arrival

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by milo, 18 Apr 2021.

  1. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Tommy Harmer Staff Member

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    I am absolutely listening. In fact, I am not sure you understood my point.

    I am not deaf or blind; an ESL type break doesn't occur unless the very biggest clubs are unhappy not to be making even more money. Obviously they will have seen the CL expansion plans and called their bluff; does anyone believe UEFA were blindsided? Come on.

    Regarding the implementation of FFP. I believe the whole thing was theatre. I don't for one moment believe UEFA has any real interest in applying it. If they did, they'd have developed rules which would not collapse under expensive lawyers that easily. UEFA don't care about the game more than money.
     
  2. Legohamster

    Legohamster Johnny Morrison

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    It’s almost if the timing was done on purpose and was planned.

    *hey look at this over here! We are starting a closed shop super league*


    UEFA quietly pass the new format without much fuss.
     
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  3. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Tommy Harmer Staff Member

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    Apart from your notion that a football isn't inherently expensive to run and maintain (!!!) I don't think many disagree.

    My point remains that while the world bashes the ESL breaksways for their tawdry behaviour, don't think that it is new or that UEFA and FIFA are any better.
     
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  4. scaramanga

    scaramanga Sonny Walters Staff Member

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    There's no such thing as rules that can't be defeated in court in this scenario.

    City don't need to show that they have a case they can win, they just need to show that they can spend enough on lawyers to swamp UEFA and theirs.

    That goes for any rule UEFA can think of.
     
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  5. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Ralph Coates

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    That’s 200% what I think had happened
    My mates think I’m mad but if I’m a semi intelligent billionaire businessmen and I’m trying to help something push through that isn’t going to be popular ... I may try to land something else worse so that people think the less bad idea is a good one
    I mean it goes on all the time in the real world
     
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  6. jts1882

    jts1882 Simon Davies

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  7. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Tommy Harmer Staff Member

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    Sadly true, but I would expect UEFA (if they wanted to protect the game) to rewrite and update the rules and try harder. They are a wet blanket because they don't actually care as long as their pockets are fat.
     
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  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga Sonny Walters Staff Member

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    Maybe I'm being too generous but I think they were making a genuine attempt at restricting spending.

    The only way I can think of that would avoid legal entanglements is an arbitration clause and getting everyone to sign up for it. But why would City and Chelsea ever sign that?
     
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  9. Bishop

    Bishop Andy Sinton

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    You realise that each team is a seperate legal entity right? It would be very difficult for them to create a rule that doesn't fall foul of the various different legal setups across Europe.

    The club's would need to voluntarily agree to follow any restrictions which as we know from FFP was not the case. It's not that they don't care, it's they don't have the power you imagine them to have.
     
  10. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Tommy Harmer Staff Member

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    You're either -
    A) a lawyer or
    B) being purposely obtuse.

    Why would you even ask a snide question like that?

    I understand.
    But again, it is MY BELIEF that UEFA do not work hard enough to create enforceable FFP rules, and have decided to take the path of theatrical resistance.

    The power three clubs enjoy in the Premiership is enormous. I understand that they have a high degree of control. My PROBLEM is that UEFA fudging sit there claiming "snakes" and whatnot, as if THEY are moral guardians of the game, when they are simply trying to protect their business. They. Are. LYING!

    That has ALWAYS been my point, it remains my point, I understand all angles, is my point now clear?!!!
     
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  11. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Tommy Harmer Staff Member

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    See my reply to Bishop Scara. It might explain the true root of issue I have with UEFA. Hypocrites.
     
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  12. Bishop

    Bishop Andy Sinton

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    I'm not trying to be snide I'm just stating is not an unwillingness from UEFA and FIFA but instead an inability to create a framework that works in legally.

    If we were talking about a franchise system a la the American sporting systems or even a single countries legal code it might be possible. As it is FFP was devised in mind of two particular EU directives regarding anti competitive agreements within organisations or co-operatives.

    These are the exact statues that City successfully used as an arguement for a reduction in their punishment for breaching the FFP regulations.
     
  13. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Tommy Harmer Staff Member

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    I understand.
    I believe if UEFA was not in chains to these corporations/clubs, they would work harder on drafting potentially tougher legislations/keep putting pressure on clubs who flout with regularity. Again, unless you work for UEFA and have specific knowledge to the contrary, I do not believe they want it enough.
     
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    glasgowspur Pedro Mendes

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    Uefa and fifa are associations in name only, they are businesses and can see their business model being undermined by bigger more powerful businesses.
     
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    Modric THFC Christian Ziege

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    Watch Neville no doubt back down on the Glazers and have a go at fans when Sky's super sunday is disrupted.
     
  16. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Chris Perry

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    Seemed to do the opposite.
     
  17. Raziel

    Raziel Chris Perry

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    Exactly, and I for one would love to see the court case against ESL

    - 15 private businesses no longer want to participate in a joint enterprise that is invite only on the whim of the company (UEFA), and as such have decided to form their own venture using their own money.
    - Previous joint enterprise company (UEFA) now plans to "collaborate" with other unconnected businesses (FIFA/FA) that work with said private business to "punish" their attempt at establishing new enterprise, and further are planning to create new rules with even more future retaliatory capability.

    Someone thinks that brick would fly?
     
  18. milo

    milo Paul Miller Staff Member

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    The big clubs don't like the new CL format. They don't want more games against small teams.

    The new format had been public knowledge for months before the ESL announcement.
     
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  19. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Ralph Coates

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    And was hotly argued against
    Now.... no arguments really. It’s kinda landed and accepted
     
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  20. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Chris Perry

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    I think they are all connected though.... The FA is part of UEFA that is part of FIFA.
     

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