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European Super League - Dead on arrival
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Bishop
Terry Venables
We are no longer in the EU. The UK is not obligated to give work permits to anyone. Work permits themselves typically have some restriction covenants to them, whether that be time related or industry they are associated with.
metalgear
Nayim
As well as instructing UEFA to allow the three clubs who have yet to withdraw from the European Super League (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus) to compete in the Champions League next season, UEFA were also told to rescind “the disguised sanction consisting of a 5% reduction in revenues and the contribution to the Solidarity Fund of €15m.”
ESL is coming back.
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ESL is coming back.
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A judge in Spain has ordered that UEFA and the Premier League scrap all fines issued in the wake of the Super League debacle as they breach an earlier ruling and are contrary to European competition law.
fudging hilarious, go back through this thread now
- From the very beginning I said there was zero fudging chance this brick stands up in court
- Then confirmed by UEFA's decision to try to back out of court proceedings by dropping any "further action" against the three non PL clubs
All I got was insults (ESL/ENIC stooge, etc.) and people who claim to know better ..
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
You may be right.... Too early to tell at the moment I think.
We'll know more when we see what UEFA's response is (i.e. do they accept the decision of a Spanish court?)
Also, I'm not sure that a Spanish court has any jurisdiction over what the PL can and can't do? Will be interesting to see what the 6 PL clubs do now. Do they challenge the PL fine in court or not? Thinking about it... was it even a PL imposed fine? Didn't the clubs voluntarily offer to pay a penalty? (I can't actually remember how that came about?)
UEFA was already trying to back out before the ruling (I suspect the lawyers told them run), they had officially stated no further action.
The PL/Europe thing may be interesting, effectively most UK laws are still copy/paste versions of European laws.
The Pl decided to push a fine and rule changes IIRC, really the minute the ESL collapsed they & UEFA should have backed off and left the ruling part ambiguous, the court clarification really was only going to put them in bad place.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
The rule change is in now though I think?
Was the fine imposed by the PL or did the ESL 6 voluntarily pay a contribution (for PR reasons).... I seem to remember it being the latter (but could easily be wrong).
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Sure it’s the latter
After all the threats and calls for punishment, they could easily say they were forced to agree.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
I think it was an agreed sum, or settlement, rather than a voluntary contribution, so a fine nonetheless but with the amount being negotiated.
metalgear
Nayim
Lawyers made a lot of money in the process for nothing?
So what's stopping them from announcing ESL 2022?
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So what's stopping them from announcing ESL 2022?
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At this point = likely nothing but the PR black-eye
Probably a cool down period, validate the court decisions and play the long game on the next attempt.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Hasn’t the new £100m fine rule been put in by the PL now though? If so then that becomes the ‘entry fee’ for each PL club brave enough to have another go at acting against (a large majority of) their fans’ wishes.
metalgear
Nayim
True. Maybe the lawyers are working on the validity of that. Isn't the EPL a monopoly and should they be less punitive about clubs coming and going?
But effectively you have precedent (a court ruling, regardless of UK vs. European) that says that's illegal (that was my point earlier in thread, making a rule neither makes it legal or enforceable).
The PR is the holdback now, but they will try again, just timing now.
A Spanish court has no jurisdiction in the UK whatsoever since we left the EU surely? In anycase if there are PL rules against it that they've signed up to then that's enough.
The government and I'd say any government (Labour or Tory) can also just remove work permits or make them conditional if they really wanted to stop it.
The government and I'd say any government (Labour or Tory) can also just remove work permits or make them conditional if they really wanted to stop it.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
EU Competition law applies to any organisation conducting business in the EU, regardless of where in the world that organisation is located, so, generally speaking, a ruling on the basis of competition law would have validity here.
Having said that I'm not so clear on how that impacts on the PL operating in England. Maybe it's through club association with UEFA, which operates on a pan-European basis.
If EU Competition law does apply, then any rules signed up to could be deemed null and void if found to be in contravention of that law. It would probably take years to get a formal ruling and the competition authorities have already said they don't want to get involved. I expect UEFA and the PL/FA will quietly back down on this rather than challenge it, but it will be interesting to see if the whole ESL concept gets re-born in a year or two.