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Eric Dier

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 31 Jul 2014.

  1. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    Not many were at CM iirc
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steffen Freund

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    No idea
    Do know he played a hell of a lot of games that season and has been a first choice when fit under poch
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    He did play, just not as often in his preferred position at CM due to Wanyama and Dembele’s form at said position.
     
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    galeforce Garth Crooks

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    I like him, he’d be in my starting eleven when available, but his last full season at CB he was the weak point imo, made a few mistakes that led to goals and was regularly targeted by the opposition.
     
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    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    I neither know not care precisely what it is you misunderstand about the game.

    What I do know is that you're desagreeing with me, which means there's an incredibly high chance of you being wrong.
     
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    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    That's more down to the lack of quality defensive backup compared to our midfield at the time. If we'd had a decent defender available then Poch would have started Dier in midfield like he always does.
     
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  7. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steffen Freund

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    Maybe because he was filling in for someone else at CB
    He also did play a lot at CM that season actually with Victor IIRC
    Moussa started 20 games I believe (hard to find it out)
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steffen Freund

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    We still ended that season with the best defence in the league
     
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    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    And maybe if you watched games on TV more you could rewatch aspects of the game and challenge your own confirmation bias.

    What proportion of scouting in the modern game do you think happens live?

    I'll give you a clue, it's a very very small number

    I've never claimed he is. What I've claimed is that he can control the flow of our game through his understanding an vision - something that only Winks is able to do out of the rest of our midfielders.

    If there were any logic in that whatsoever then our academy would be entirely bereft of players in Kane's and Eriksen's positions.
     
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    galeforce Garth Crooks

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    We did, as we always should, we still conceded far too many goals though, where too many is anything more than 0.

    We were just less crap at the back than everyone else.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    Well to bring players through of course but you wouldn’t normally throw an 18 year old into a title challenging side and give him as many minutes as we have in such a vital position on the pitch if eveverything was hunky dory at CM.

    An error is an error whether it costs us or not. There are plenty of occasions where Lloris or Trippier for example may make a mistake that isn’t directly punished but it’s still an error that puts us under unnecessary pressure.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    I’ll take my view rather than someone who doesn’t attend many games live. There’s only so much you can glean from watching on tv.
     
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    galeforce Garth Crooks

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    It may not lead to a goal instantly but every mistake carries a mental cost, a degradation in the confidence of others, a data point for future opposition to analyse and scheme against, nothing happens without consequence in professional sport.
     
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    Robspur12 Dean Austin

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    Yeah but that's not down to Dier surely? There are 4 other defenders and defensive midfielders which contribute to that. Lovren has been part of a defence that this season has conceded the fewest goals. But we know he is not a particularly good defender.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    I do both. As in I watch games live in person and on tv.

    Why do you think rival managers go to watch games live when they could simply watch on tv? You often see managers attend games of teams who they are due to play against the following week for example. That’s also why international managers like Southgate go to watch players live.

    Look, I like Dier. I love his passion and he seems to love playing for our club. But we have players in his position who are both better defensively and offensively and I think Poch will/should make the CM and RB positons the highest priorities to upgrade on in the summer. It’s the only two positions in the team we don’t have a world class player for.
     
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    Robspur12 Dean Austin

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    Again you say this but can you name the games he does this ? He does a few good forward passes and he is controlling games? Carrick controlled games he dictated our entire team as did Modric. As did Hoddle. Dier does not.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steffen Freund

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    He has hardly played a minute in the league hasn’t he??? IIRC he has started one game in the league and came on 3/4 And he has come in when he literally have had no one else available

    Not arguing an error is an error
    Out shooting vs United was all errors as they never went it... all players make mistakes, just some are held against certain players more than others (just look at the sissoko comments historically)
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steffen Freund

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    Lovren to date has not played 36 premier league games in a season in the team that finished with the best defence

    In fact in this league there can’t be many that have played that many games in a team that had the best defence
     
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    galeforce Garth Crooks

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    I think most likely they go because it’s a jolly, they may well socialise with others but nobody will learn more from the stands than they will from the numbers, the analytics are where the real info is.

    Of course a team/country might be making a pigs ear of analysis.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steffen Freund

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    True

    Its why we lost to Man Utd. Our attackers made loads of errors

    It’s also why we won vs Newcastle

    Joys of players being human
     

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