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Eric Dier

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 31 Jul 2014.

  1. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Chris Armstrong

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    You’re right, that in itself doesn’t. Milner is a good footballer though.
     
  2. Hootnow

    Hootnow Jonathan Woodgate

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    Few things:

    -Milner is a great footballer. And would be willing to bet he is a significantly more successful footballer than any one of us on here are at our jobs. By sheer statistics and putting aside the fact that everyone seems to love calling highly successful professionals brick, by sheer force of numbers, Milner is one of the best footballers in the world.

    -This also applies to Sissoko.

    -Sissoko HAS been one of our best players this season. Before this season, he was perhaps the first Spurs player I have actively disliked in a long long time. Not his fault necessarily, he didn't do anything disrespectful and he didn't choose to have 30 million spent on him. But I could not get over how brick he looked, how out of place he looked, how we spent 30 million on this pile of crap. However, this season he has turned it around. And initially this season, he may have turned it around in relation to how he looked before but now he does not look out of place with the rest of the team. Do I want him as the focal point of our team? No, in an ideal world, I'd want two new cms, with the two of them rotating with Winks and Dier/Sissoko making up the other options. Winks being better than him is arguable but Moura and Vertonghen? I don't think so.

    -I like Dier but I find the way some people on here view him genuinely baffling. Scara especially seems to think he's some kind of exquisite passer, akin to Carrick or Pirlo. He's far closer to the 'cloggers' like Wanyama and Sissoko in terms of passing ability than he is to the likes of Pirlo or Carrick. He has his role in the squad, he can play a few positions to a good standard but some kind of expansive passer he is not.
     
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  3. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Colin Calderwood Staff Member

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    Mate. That lacks context and detail. Taken as a stand-alone statement, it is simply not true. Lacking "what"?
     
  4. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Colin Calderwood Staff Member

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    Alright, I'll bite...answers within the quotes and boldfaced.
     
  5. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Now I know you're taking the tinkle.
     
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  6. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin Steve Hodge

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    Have to agree completely on Dier. He does a job in midfield and now and again plays some decent passes but he’s limited offensively. Very limited.

    To me, he’s still a centre back playing in midfield. And I think if he wants to fulfill his potential, it’ll be at centre back where he does it.

    Scara thoroughly entertains me, especially his hatred of Liverpool but thinking Dier is a better ball player than Milner is wrong.

    The only other thing I’ll say on Dier - I love his attitude. I think he’d run through a brick wall to win.
     
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  7. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    I don't think you've been watching or understanding Dier's play - you pick.

    He'll never be a Pirlo but he controls the game and the ball significantly better than the others. He has a far greater understanding of how the game is over the medium term in match, in the immediate setting and of how we play.

    He's much more like Carrick than people give him credit for. Funnily enough, I used to have this same argument on here about why Carrick was a better option than his more highlight reel friendly alternatives.
     
  8. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    I’ve been a season ticket holder for the past 4 years so I’ve seen plenty of him both live in person where you get a better understanding of a player and on tv when I’ve not been able to attend games.

    He really isn’t that good on the ball scara. I’m not just talking about the mistakes he makes he big games, but I really don’t think anyone other than you and a select few others on this forum think he’s a top player in terms of passing and reading the game. I appreciate him for what he is which is a useful utility player and he never complains about being utilised in different positions but Winks is by far the best footballer amongst our CM’s.

    Carrick was an underrated player but Dier isn’t close to him in terms of range of passing.

    Dier seems to love playing for this club and he totally gets the rivalries we have with arsenal and Chelsea so I will always love him for that.
     
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  9. StephenH

    StephenH Jack Jull

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    This is spot on.
    I love Eric as Spurs fan.
     
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  10. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Dean Austin

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    Look like others I like Eric Dier for what he brings to Spurs in terms of commitment and love for the club. He is also a reasonable player. He can add solidity when we are under cosh. But it is a stretch to say he has ever controlled a game. He has had good and bad games like everyone but he is not a player who "controls"games. Btw I watch spurs and him regularly too.
     
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  11. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    So understanding it is then. That's fine, not everyone gets it.
     
  12. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Les Medley

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    Winks is the best all round footballer we have playing CM I agree but winks has never yet played a pass like Dier did for allis first goal vs Chelsea away last season, or one like Dier did to set the balkpl rolling for Lamelas goal vs Brighton

    Eric plays much better passes than people want to give him credit for

    And his mistakes do happen but rarely cost us. Guess that’s the joys of playing high risk football. On the mistake front a lot mention his error vs pool last season which cost us. It was actually very similar to the one winks made towards the end of the Newcastle game last weekend which didn’t cost us because their brick

    What I will add is you need a real mix in midfield and I think winks and Dier is that pairing for us now, although sissoko has been very good this season and doesn’t deserve dropping at all
     
  13. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    Must be a hell of a lot of misunderstood people on this forum and in real life then, including Poch who signed Wanyama that plays in Dier’s position. Seems it is only you who rates him as a Carrick esque CM who controls games. Maybe if you actually attended some games you would see what he actually offers instead of your over inflated opinion of him.

    We got 86 points in 2016/17 with Dembele and Wanyama in CM whereas Dier could only get a look in at CB or when Wanyama and Dembele were injured in CM.
     
  14. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Yet when all our defenders and Wanyama were fit, it was Dier and Dembele who Poch selected.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    In which season are you referring to? Wanyama and Dembele were the first choice CM’s when we first signed Wanyama. He has declined since his numerous injuries which is unfortunate. We have never looked more solid than we did with those two in CM and we also scored more goals than in any other season. When you score more and concede less than any season in recent memory I’d say that’s a good thing but maybe I’m just misunderstanding the game.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Les Medley

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    He played 36 league games that season in the best defence we have had according to the stats... maybe we played him in defence as we changed tactics and he was our best option there.

    The season after we added Davinson and Dier moved back to midfield and played 34 league games

    That’s a lot of games if others were better than him...
     
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  17. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Quite.
     
  18. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    You're right, you almost certainly are.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    Sanchez was a £40m signing to be play at CB. Tottenham Hotspur don’t drop that kind of coin on a backup CB. Chances are he was signed as either a long term replacement for Toby/Jan or to replace Dier as the third CB in the back three. Wanyama suffered numerous injuries the following season, hence the need to play Dier at CM but he barely got a look in at CM the previous season when Wanyama and Dembele bossed it.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    I’ll reiterate what I said previously, maybe if you attended games you would see what he offers rather than just going be what you see on tv. That’s why scouts and managers attend games in person so they can get a close up look at a player before signing him or so they can gain an understanding of how a team plays.

    There’s nothing in Dier’s play that backs up your inflated opinion of him as this Beckenbauer esque, ball playing CM that you and Bedford believe he is.

    We wouldn’t be bringing through the likes of an 18 year old Skipp and Winks from the academy to play in Dier’s position if the likes of Dier and Sissoko were top drawer.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    And sorry which bit am I misunderstanding? Is scoring more and conceding less than the previous season which Wanyama and Dembele helped us achieve not the aim of football?
     

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