I guess that depends on your view of failing.Well we just keep failing but I guess we're unlikely to ever close our doors.
The vast majority of football clubs would love to be failing as badly as we are.
I guess that depends on your view of failing.Well we just keep failing but I guess we're unlikely to ever close our doors.
When you have a 62,000 capacity and the most expensive tickets in the land then perhaps the fans are not actually quite as easily replaceable as the owners might think.... Especially when the product is poor. We increased our fan base again when we were riding high under Pochettino, some of those new fans can be quite fickle and less interested when things aren't going as well. With gross debt of about £1.2 billion the club needs to operate at high capacity and high prices. We no longer have CL revenue that we had a few years ago. We no longer have Europa revenue that we had last season (and in the seasons before Poch worked his magic to make us a CL regular). There have been far more corporate tickets for sale on a match by match basis this season (I've had a few calls from THFC about these). If we slip even further away from challenging as is evident then the take up of these will decrease further, that means less money that can go towards squad strengthening and (likely) us falling even further away.It's their club - it's nothing short of a childish tantrum to try and insist they act in a way that suits anyone else.
There are plenty of other fans, you're just about the most replaceable thing about the club.
When you have a 62,000 capacity and the most expensive tickets in the land then perhaps the fans are not actually quite as easily replaceable as the owners might think.... Especially when the product is poor. We increased our fan base again when we were riding high under Pochettino, some of those new fans can be quite fickle and less interested when things aren't going as well. With gross debt of about £1.2 billion the club needs to operate at high capacity and high prices. We no longer have CL revenue that we had a few years ago. We no longer have Europa revenue that we had last season (and in the seasons before Poch worked his magic to make us a CL regular). There have been far more corporate tickets for sale on a match by match basis this season (I've had a few calls from THFC about these). If we slip even further away from challenging as is evident then the take up of these will decrease further, that means less money that can go towards squad strengthening and (likely) us falling even further away.
A business should never take its customers for granted. Not even a business who has a unique hold over its customers.
I do find it a little bit amusing that the likes of @Finney Is Back are kind of responsible for Levy hiring Paratici > Paratici then stopping us signing Fonseca > and hiring Nuno instead.
All the talk from the end of last season from the naysayers was how Levy needed to get a DoF in. Now we have one, we have to let him mould the side. Who in their right mind thinks that will take place in a couple of games!? Both Paratici and Nuno need time to work. We have some talent in the side, we have a bit of a conundrum in midfield imo, but it is quite normal that a side needs time to take shape. That is not Levy's responsibility. He's done what Finney etc were baying for. Now he's appointed a DoF, they are of course having a good old whinge about whatever else they can.
Well you know there are some fans who just like to bitch, some far more then others. I have heard Spurs have more fickle FANS then most clubs though. Not sure i believe that but who knows.
I don't think we have fickle fans at all. Our attendances have always been up amongst the best through thick and (mainly) thin.Well you know there are some fans who just like to bitch, some far more then others. I have heard Spurs have more fickle FANS then most clubs though. Not sure i believe that but who knows.
Ironically, I think it is because of the platform Levy has given Spurs. We do aspire to more now. We did touch the higher echelons that we all wanted. |But progress is never linear unless you have pools of oil money to cover failed signing, and even Chelsea and city have blips.
What @spurs' magna carter doesn't appreciate is that the stadium should allow Spurs to be more successful over the long term. It should cement Tottenham as a top club for many decades to come. You couldn't add stands to WHL, it wasn't possible.
My only real criticism of Levy is that he listens to the fans sometimes, rather than sticking to a clear vision.
Ironically, I think it is because of the platform Levy has given Spurs. We do aspire to more now. We did touch the higher echelons that we all wanted. |But progress is never linear unless you have pools of oil money to cover failed signing, and even Chelsea and city have blips.
What @spurs' magna carter doesn't appreciate is that the stadium should allow Spurs to be more successful over the long term. It should cement Tottenham as a top club for many decades to come. You couldn't add stands to WHL, it wasn't possible.
My only real criticism of Levy is that he listens to the fans sometimes, rather than sticking to a clear vision.
It's been a long time since I saw our stadium much from capacity (in any match that mattered) and whenever my son has dragged me into the club shop it's been impossible to move. I don't think were struggling for fans and if you or I were to throw a hissy fit and refuse to turn up, plenty of others would.When you have a 62,000 capacity and the most expensive tickets in the land then perhaps the fans are not actually quite as easily replaceable as the owners might think.... Especially when the product is poor. We increased our fan base again when we were riding high under Pochettino, some of those new fans can be quite fickle and less interested when things aren't going as well. With gross debt of about £1.2 billion the club needs to operate at high capacity and high prices. We no longer have CL revenue that we had a few years ago. We no longer have Europa revenue that we had last season (and in the seasons before Poch worked his magic to make us a CL regular). There have been far more corporate tickets for sale on a match by match basis this season (I've had a few calls from THFC about these). If we slip even further away from challenging as is evident then the take up of these will decrease further, that means less money that can go towards squad strengthening and (likely) us falling even further away.
A business should never take its customers for granted. Not even a business who has a unique hold over its customers.
Chelsea game didn't sell out and the number of tickets available on ticket exchange was huge. The interest is already waning a little. The price charged is higher than the level of the product.It's been a long time since I saw our stadium much from capacity (in any match that mattered) and whenever my son has dragged me into the club shop it's been impossible to move. I don't think were struggling for fans and if you or I were to throw a hissy fit and refuse to turn up, plenty of others would.
Where the club has lost out in on CL revenue - something I think you've criticised Levy for prioritising in the past.
57k at ChelseaChelsea game didn't sell out and the number of tickets available on ticket exchange was huge. The interest is already waning a little. The price charged is higher than the level of the product.
If that's a persistent problem once all the COVID isolation nonsense has finished then I expect prices will decrease to meet demand.Chelsea game didn't sell out and the number of tickets available on ticket exchange was huge. The interest is already waning a little. The price charged is higher than the level of the product.
I hope so.... I will be nice to be charged a price commensurate with our level of ambition. I can then put the several hundred quid saved towards the away weekends.If that's a persistent problem once all the COVID isolation nonsense has finished then I expect prices will decrease to meet demand.
It's unlikely that will be required though.
Yes it is a platform for the future but the future is foggy at best, cannot be seen, that's why most people stay in the present and the present says:
We have won one league cup in 20 years.
We are in near relegation form.
The style of play is abysmal. The team plays the worst I can remember and yes I remember the 1990s and Ramos's last game at stoke back in 2008 and AVB's last game at home to Liverpool but this feels beyond that, despite currently having a better squad than all those eras combined.
I was a Levy advocate and do not deny that we have grown because of him. Where I am left frustrated with Levy is that it is not until the team is in serious brick that serious money is spent. Yet, when we fully recover and are in a better position than before we don't do enough in the transfer market and stagnate or even decline again.
Either Levy has a clear vision of boom and bust for Tottenham Hotspur or one focused purely on ENIC's investment.
2019 and 2020 we operated significant net spends. It was only £30.7 million this summer however.We have three summers in a row with significant net spends. Following years of frugality linked rather obvious to the stadium build.
Could say we've been in serious brick for three years I guess. Would have been a strange description post CL final, but in hindsight, sure. But to me the stadium build seems like the main factor, not our situation on the pitch.
Had we been successful last season, with money from the stadium again coming in would you have expected Levy to just sit on the money and not spend it?
2019 and 2020 we operated significant net spends. It was only £30.7 million this summer however.
Here is the full PL net spend list for this season. Considering we had no real significant sales our number is unremarkable:
1. Arsenal – £123.3m
2. Man Utd – £115.3m
3. Emirates Marketing Project – £83.88m
4. West Ham – £66.7m
5. Leicester City – £55.4m
6. Leeds United – £53m
7. Crystal Palace – £51.2m
8. Tottenham – £30.7m
9. Saudi Sportswashing Machine – £26.4m
10. Norwich City – £25.8m
11. Burnley – £20.3m
12. Liverpool – £13.9m
13. Watford – £2m
14. Brighton – £0.4m profit
15. Chelsea – £3.9m profit
16. Wolves – £4.6m profit
17. Aston Villa – £5m profit
18. Everton – £5.4m profit
19. Brentford – £13.5m profit
20. Southampton – £18.9m profit
We haven't spent it. We might not take up the option. It's on the never-never....That doesn't include the Romero option to buy though does it? Quite clearly that's a deal we want to make permanent, would be shocked if it wasn't.
Including Romero that's somewhere in the 60-70m range?