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Daniel Levy - Chairman

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Howard Webb, 8 Feb 2012.

  1. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Steffen Freund

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    We wouldn't have been part of the Super League conversation had we been in old WHL. The stadium itself elevates Spurs into 'one of the truly big clubs'. It's not just an identity thing putting Spurs on the map however, it is the financial reality of it too. Making circa £5m a match from the stadium seems like a decent return? The equivalent of one extra stellar player per year? That doesn't factor in other events and the profits from them.

    Well done Levy. How can you not credit him?

    There is a point about Levy not always being bold and committal. I think it is a fair point. But we're in a good place and have not gambled. Would you want us to? Unlike pool and RM we're not as overextended as they are now. No doubt we have serious challenges as Levy would have expected an extra £100m or more from the stadium over the last year.

    What I don't understand is how any sensible Spurs fan can't see that DL has put their team in a fantastic position. Not investing for 5 minutes where you could crash and burn, but a permanent elevation of our club. All credit to him, and shame on those who can't see the wood for the trees.

    What as the stat: Tottenham didn't get into the top 6 in the decade before ENIC, and have 13 times in the following two decades.

    All for a critique of Levy and identifying his weaknesses and areas to improve, but his tenure is very hard to argue against. Your arguments just don't stack up. I think people just want to winge post-Covid. Frustrations are heightened, and the end of the elevation and blip with Poch and Mourinho is frustrating. But progress is never going to be linear, there will be steps forward and backwards, but overall we are on the right trajectory. Let's hope fans don't jeopardise that.
     
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  2. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Dean Richards

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    Ok, I see what you are saying. All I'm saying is, I don't think what I'm suggesting is majorly unrealistic. You're right that we don't know, but I don't see any plausible explanations otherwise for a guy perfectly happy to stick it out at Ajax for another year, other than him deciding the job wasn't quite right for him.

    I think it's possible to be concerned to an extent by looking at what we think our standing should be, looking at which candidates can meet that standing, and seeing whether it looks like we are going to make it work. I wasn't in any of those meetings that may or may not have happened, but in my opinion I think it's a pretty realistic scenario that played out.

    And if we do end up getting Rodgers, and were able to attract him from a club doing as well as Leicester have done, I will be happy. Whether or not I want him specifically, it will at least show we are capable of attracting someone from a club who could argue they aren't too far behind us. It would show our standing is high, that the pitch we have is a good one, that we expect to be a clear level up on Leicester. I know you were being facetious, but I'd be really happy with Rodgers, at least from that perspective.
     
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  3. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Chris Perry

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    There have been lots of quality centre backs coming into the PL (many of which are certainly as good as, if not better than, Maguire) for a lot less that £80m.
     
  4. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Dean Richards

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    Right...I don't think he thinks Ajax is the place he is going to build his career. I think he's waiting for a better job than Spurs. I also don't think he seriously doubts his ability, I think it's much more likely he doubted Spurs' ability / desire to want to invest to establish themselves at a level beyond where they are now.
     
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  5. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Chris Perry

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    I think we did promise him that, and everyone was on the same page, the unforeseen circumstance came with the stadium delay. We were meant to be back in that second home game of the season against Liverpool...it took until April to make it home.

    That unknown would spook Levy (just as Covid will), with no knowing when we'd be in, how long it would take, how long we'd still need Wembley for...I can see why that feeds into that seasons transfer windows. Poch, as he would, probably understood but found it real difficult to keep the ship moving. It burnt him out. The money came a year too late, sigh.

    Circumstance was to blame.
     
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  6. Baleforce

    Baleforce Jack L. Jones

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    All of this, and the trust are actively trying to hound him out of the club.
     
  7. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Sebastien Bassong

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    Are people ignoring the point i'm making wilfully?

    I'll say it again slower...

    ENIC defenders like to say that "ENIC has taken us forward from when we were brick in the 90s".

    My point is: Premier League money, and being an ever present in that process, like Everton, has meant that clubs who used to toil away in 15th during the 90s are no longer toiling away in 15th because financially, they're more superior due to increased television rights over the last 20 years. It has very little to do with ENIC, because TAKE A fudging LOOK AT EVERTON FOR EXAMPLE.

    Bill Kenwright hardly funded the club over successive years and they're still one of the top 8 ever presents in the PL because of television money.

    So to say Spurs would be brick without ENIC is gonad*S. Spurs would be brick without PL TV money.
     
  8. mjc23

    mjc23 Neil Ruddock

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    Everton were in massive trouble under Kenright and now have some of the richest financial investors in football. West Ham rent an athletics stadium and Southampton have been pretty well run. But we consistently finish above all those teams, have a better stadium, better training ground and have reached a Champions league final. None of those teams have ever qualified for the champions league.
    Everton have got Usmanov money and got a loan deal to finance their stadium.
    Yes Levy has his faults but I'm pretty happy having him at the club and yes it is a business and does have to be run as such. Both Leeds and Blackburn were not run as a business and neither ended very well for them.
     
  9. Raziel

    Raziel Chris Perry

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    Mate, too much speculation in there, we simply don't know

    From the outside it simply seems Poch burnt himself out (helped or not by the club), everything else is best guess

    Similar to @ricky2tricky4city point
     
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  10. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Steffen Freund

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    For the decade before Levy we weren't 'better than this performance by Enic'..

    Although Levy does have that negotiation playbook, he does have others too, and is quite capable of being decisive and swift. But while you casually talk about an extra couple of million, of course Levy has to be prudent! Who wouldn't be? I'll tell you who, Peter Risdale, and take a look at what happened to Leeds. That will never happen to Spurs under Levy. If you save 2m a transfer by negotiating you get an extra player after 5 transfers. Maybe that is why we've outperformed other midtable sides who we were similar to us 20 years ago. What would you put our improved average league position down to?
     
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  11. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Steve Carr

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    Until he spends £200m in transfer window he will always be useless to many. It doesnt matter who he appoints as manager as we've seen on here no one can agree on who should get and the majority will probably lose out and be ready to start an other couple of years of moaning about his candidate.
     
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  12. Raziel

    Raziel Chris Perry

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    Mate, Everton (as were Newcastle) were ahead of us 15 years ago, they were the first best of the rest team (outside of Sky 4)

    They have nothing but a piece of paper that says they will build a stadium, they have been in Europe how many times in the last 15 years? (we have been in 12 years strait)

    With an owner pumping money into them artificially (not PL money), they still suck and are below us on our worst season, and their income is less than half of Spurs (which again says your point re PL money only is flimflam)
     
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  13. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Dean Richards

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    There was definitely some logic there for sure. But the buck stops with Levy. He made the wrong decision. On top of another bad decision. Hence why I don't trust him on the football side and I'd rather someone else in his seat for the next phase of our journey.

    I understand every single positive argument for Levy and ENIC. I argued them positively myself for years. All I am saying is that for most of their time owning the club, particularly after the Pleat caretaker season where it seemed Levy flew around the world and immersed himself in conversation with everyone in the game he possibly could, we've been on an upward curve. I understood the plan. I was happy to go with the gut punches, the sackings, the losing out on deadline day signings, the wage structure. All of it. I totally got it. I thought their plan was going to get us to where we needed to go. And it was working.

    But I think we've reached a point where the next step, the new furniture that Poch was talking about, building a club that genuinely competes for the biggest prizes, I just don't trust that they know what to do to get us there. I don't think they get why a team or a squad will be successful. And I don't think the level of investment required is ideal for them given their financial plans and desired ROI. We may well get there with them, but I think we will get there more slowly than with someone else. I am not saying they are terrible, I am just saying I think this next step is not one they are best equipped to lead us on, if we really want to take it. Even if the purse strings are loosened in terms of transfer budget (which I can accept has happened to an extent), I don't trust Levy in this defacto DOF position. At a minimum, I'd like him removed and for someone else who knows more about football and squad building at this level to be responsible for it.
     
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  14. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Chris Perry

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    Because as we've seen with ours it isn't free at all..... Funding the £1.2 billion it has cost us to build our stadium would require £66 million a year to pay off capital and interest (at very low rates). Neither Man Utd or Liverpool would make an extra £66 million a season from a new stadium. They already have large grounds and large corporate numbers that are right at the top of the corporate rates for that part of the country. New stadium's for Man Utd or Liverpool would be mainly vanity exercises now that would struggle to pay for themselves.
     
  15. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Steffen Freund

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    Basically, the criticism of Levy boils down to him looking for value in transfers. But you have to admit that approach helped us to progress from a club that didn't get European football. It allowed us to punch above our weight.

    I think it is unfair (and inattentive) to say we have not progressed from that value model. Over the past few years Levy has splurged on top players. We are evolving. That is not to say he can't look for value still. Rondon say - if we like the cut of his jib and think he has the tools to become a commanding CB, why wouldn't we invest?

    In short, we will always look for value in the transfer market with Levy in charge. That is no bad thing. But there is an evolution where we are also prepared to pay top dollar to secure the best players. And that should continue with the increased revenue from the stadium. Rather than undermine the work of a successful chairman, why not pull together and support his endeavors?
     
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  16. Raziel

    Raziel Chris Perry

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    It's more we didn't overpay for x player that was a success (Dias, Fernandes, etc.) while conveniently ignoring the bullets dodged and the successes (Walker, Bale, Rose, Carrick, Berbatov, VDV, Modric, Dele, Eriksen, Lloris, Son, Jan, Toby are all crazy good buys)
     
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  17. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Dean Richards

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    If that's how it went down, I can certainly sympathise with Levy. Problem is, Poch was using the media to apply pressure to Levy. If Levy had been straight with him, and said the money was coming, we'll do it all, just give us time, I don't think Poch needs to go to the media. I think he was doing this in 2019 when we were already in.

    I really think their visions diverged, and Levy lost confidence that Poch was the right man to get results. Because if the financial situation had clearly been explained to him, I think he would have got it, and wouldn't have felt the need to apply public pressure.
     
  18. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Ralph Coates

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    No
    They started with a weaker line up
    And then brought them in
    That team lost to palace earlier that month
    We however started son at left wing back who
    Gave them a pelanty
     
  19. Baleforce

    Baleforce Jack L. Jones

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    so they couldn’t fund it with Debt, naming rights, future sold corporate packages, debentures, etc?

    sorry, I thought you were arguing our new stadium could have funded itself with such measures?

    I think United certainly could double their capacity and corporate and still sell out every game.
     
  20. Baleforce

    Baleforce Jack L. Jones

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    remember people losing their brick when we didn’t sign Michael Ricketts
     
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