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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by markysimmo, 27 Feb 2020.

  1. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Terry Fenwick

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    Trevor sinclair said similar on talk sport yesterday but was cut off.

    Why they ask about if vaccinated rather than if they had had covid i don't know.

    It does need to be investigated though. Find out what is the cause or if it's just coincidence. See if there are ways we can test for it.
     
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    Germanyhad over twice the number of deaths as the uk yesterday 351 compared to 149 uk https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/25...across-europe-as-vaccination-remains-stagnant
    Their case numbers have more than trebled since the beginning of the month to 75k yesterday. So you can expect the number of daily deaths to increase, it's baked in.
    Saxony hospitals got full, so the transported to surrounding regions. Theyare now full. Germany has started airlifting patients to italy.

    http://www.news.cn/english/europe/2021-11/22/c_1310326396.htm
    https://www.efe.com/efe/english/por...id-heaps-strain-on-hospitals/50000260-4679094
     
  3. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Alf Ramsey

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    Depends wher you source your info from doesn’t it. David Narbaro from WHO has said that case numbers are going up but hospitalisations and deaths are not because of the high rates of vaccination. That is not the same in some parts of Eastern Europe which has lower vax rates and situation is graver. This makes sense given that the Europeans were vaxxed later, generally have high vax rates and immunity has not waned as it has in the Uk due to the higher numbers of Pfizer and Moderna doses administered. Saxony has an issue with anti vaxxers but is not representative of all Germany. As I say exaggeration has become fashionable during covid. Incidentally the London Borough Richmond’s case rates last week were approaching 550 per 100000 population.
     
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    Then why did merkle want to lockdown before leaving office?
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/25/mer...down-blocked-as-death-toll-passes-100000.html
     
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    Robspur12 Alf Ramsey

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    Robspur12 Alf Ramsey

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    Well it's not working.
     
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    Of which the german speaking nations are included. It's why austria has announced vaccine mandates and germany is discussing it.
     
  10. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Alf Ramsey

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    I am not trying to score silly points here because no one has won from the pandemic. But I think 50% less deaths is a more compassionate way to go.
     
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    Now you're using a strawman. I've not said anything about the rest of the pandemic. I've said the should have opened up fully in the summer so they wouldn't be in this position now. That they fudged up.

    I don't know where you are getting 50% less deaths figure from either. In fact if they don't lock down soon, their total deaths will be similar to ours come march.
     
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    Robspur12 Alf Ramsey

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    Austria seems to have an issue with anti vax too. But several countries in Europe employ a covid passport scheme. I am not sure whether you are trying to argue that Europe have got it all wrong while the UK’s strategy has been correct? You do seem anti European though. I am interested in the infection immunity vs vaccine immunity research because the data seems to keep changing. Maybe it was useful to let the virus infect the population. I wasn’t arguing for further lockdowns here but just simple mitigation methods employed to keep the numbers of infections and deaths down. I think we have paid too high a price in this country.
     
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    Robspur12 Alf Ramsey

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    sigh.. I am out of this discussion.
     
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    Where did i say europe got the whole pandemic wrong and the uk got it right? I said they should have opened up in summer.

    I seem anti european? Lol i've got an eu passport.

    As for vaccination passports. Good luck with that. You realise that workers don't need one to work? So all the customers in a restaurant may be vaxxed, but the staff might not be.
     
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    Fair enough. If you want to know more on the situation in germany dw did a piece today. Although you'll probably consider them anti european too.



    Also from dw.
     
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    /More lockdown.
     
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    I'll show an example.

    Netherlands opened up in july. Just before us. This led to a spike in cases. So they brought back in restrictions and suppressed the virus again. Thing is that spike in cases didn't lead to any more deaths. They stayed flat all summer.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/
     
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    You’d imagine there must be something to it if this government is acting as quickly as they have.

    I hope you’re right, obviously.
     

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