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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by markysimmo, 27 Feb 2020.

  1. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Dimitar Berbatov

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    SpurMeUp Dimitar Berbatov

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    I am going to have to bow out to your greater knowledge on this one :cool:
     
  3. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    Very interesting...thanks for posting..
     
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    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    glasgowspur Paul Robinson

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    That first article is absolutely spot on, and there many clues in there as to how a lot of these figures are either badly understood or being misrepresented.
     
  6. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    Mikey10 Jermaine Jenas

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    Diamond Lights Allan Nielsen

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    so, question:

    i don't get what's happening with COVID anymore? why's it just bouncing around like this nowadays? surely that's good right? or is it simply a lack of testing so true number masked?

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    Mikey10 Jermaine Jenas

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    Lilbaz Neil Ruddock

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    Due to people not wanting to go to the hospitals and less face to face appointments with doctors (due to the pandemic). There was a fall in diagnosis in 2020.
    We also know covid damages the heart and other organs.

    The big one is going to be cancer in a couple of years. People that weren't diagnosed and treated early, will be worse effected.

    Moderna has been seen to cause rare cases of mydiocharditis, though. Again these are rare cases.
     
  11. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Neil Ruddock

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    It's bouncing about for a number of reasons. Schools going back, vaccine immunity waning, finding pockets of people not vaccinated, weather.
    Due to the contagiousness of the delta variant it's unlikely we'll get herd immunity. So it will stay endemic. But as people have more immunity either from vaccine or having had it, it will be milder. More like a cold or even asymptomatic. It's just something we're going to have to live with now.
     
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  12. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    Not sure i go totally with that tbh; certainly not with regards to deaths: heart attacks and other circulatory conditions are often ones that you'll seek emergency help for when symptoms appear: you are not going to postpone calling an ambulance because you can't see a GP.

    If anything such deaths should have INCREASED when the UK was in those first months of lockdown. Partly because of not being able to seek help at a stage when maybe only minor symptoms are being seen, but also because of isolation, depression etc being exacerbated by lockdown and one of the ways often people might have coped would be excessive fast food eating and binge drinking - both of which you'd think would lead to more heart attacks, strokes and the like over the 2020 period as a whole.

    Now the UK has been open for several months heart attacks should not be going up per say.
    Covid indeed often causes damaghes to the heart and other organs, so unless you are saying heart attack and other circulatory related deaths were classified last year as "Covid" and are not being in the same way now, again i don't think a decrease and then an increase in such deaths is what should be seen.

    I agree with your comments on Cancer diagnoses: unlike heart disease etc, these are far more likely to not need emergency care when symptoms first appear and there is certainly a ticking time bomb with regards to future cancer deaths which could have been prevented if people had their regular check-ups as normal (which obviously didn't happen during lockdowns and less so since due to backlogs, changes in access to GPs etc..)

    I think if we look back over time we will see that all the major mRNA vaccines have had warnings related to "rare" heart inflammation-related issues. That has certainly been the case with Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson as well as Moderna...
     
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    Lilbaz Neil Ruddock

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    They did increase, because people delayed diagnosis. This article from the bhf was written in october last year. Before vaccines came out.
    https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/n...t-and-circulatory-disease-deaths-in-under-65s
     
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    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    Thanks for the link; that's very interesting.
    What has to be borne in mind, however, is that BHF is talking about a rise in deaths from heart disease in the under-65s there whilst the Telegraph article is talking about deaths from that and other circulatory diseases across all ages and also across a wider timeframe.
     
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    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    Saw that GP's are going to get a sweetner to start seeing people face to face again rather than over the phone
    How about if you don't you could get struck off you lazy clams
     
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    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    They have a good racket going.

    Said a few years ago when they were moaning about being underpaid. Our local surgery when their big pay rise came in a load went part time. The receptionist told me of the 8 GP's only 1 is full time.

    I imagine they are off working private locum work on their days off. Which in turn costs the NHS more so means less is available for front line services.
     
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    awesome dawson Jermaine Jenas

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    Sydney has already opened up at 70% double vaxxed, hitting 80% today I think. Likely end vaccination rate of over 90%. Accepting international travel without hotel quarantine as of 1 November.

    Melbourne is likely to hit 70% a week today, 80% two after that. This is the light at the end of a long tunnel.

    Canberra is apparently going to achieve 99% double vaxxed, a world record apparently (maybe equal with Doha I think).

    Roll on summer.
     
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    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    Really hoping one of my best mates will be able to fly over from Melbourne for my wedding next May
     
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